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Re: Waveterm

#51

This looks nice, but I am very, very, very wary of adopting a tool like this without understanding the business model. There are two possible ways I've seen this go: 1) Build out a userbase. Once it's sufficient, monetize by screwing the userbase over in some way. 2) Take a bunch of VC money to build something awesome and open-source. Implode when there is no business model. I'm glad this is open-source -- that's pre…

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Re: Waveterm

#52

But like…why? At the risk of being “HN talks about rsync on the Dropbox thread” what’s this offering that can’t already do, for free, without a EULA, and inevitable VC-enshittification risk? > ditch vim for quick updates Bruh, have you seen the average vim user? They’re about the fastest people on a computer I’ve seen in my life. This is not exactly a convincing argument. > Render code, images, markdown, and CSV file…

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Re: Waveterm

#54

This looks cool and I could get over my worries about Electron as a terminal except for the fact that it requires that you install something on the remote machine to get any of the benefits. I really don't like that it tried to do that before I had done anything but add a connection (there was no warning or indication that something would be installed). Thankfully (?) FreeBSD is not supported so nothing was installed…

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Re: Waveterm

#56
post #7

An Electron terminal with a EULA backed by two venture capitals. What's the world coming to? I'd rather keep something as crucial as a terminal emulator open-source, and with a latency within the hundreds of milliseconds. For the fancy remoting capabilities there's Emacs.

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Re: Waveterm

#58
post #16

Neat, you can setup SSH connections as native terminal sessions. When you type in your server info and click connect, this happens: prompt> connecting to user@host... prompt> error connecting to remote: mshell client not found prompt> trying auto-install prompt> installing mshell v0.3.0 to user@host... Install something on a server without even asking? Also, what is "mshell client" or "mshell v0.3.0"?

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Re: Waveterm

#59
post #32

It's Electron/TS based. I seriously doubt I can get used to using an Electron based beast for something as critical as a terminal. This is the one power user app where speed is factually of utmost urgency, and latency is non negotiable. I also don't like it using tons of memory. While this may be possible with Electron from what I have heard, I have yet to have seen it. So generally I stay away.

I’m not a fan of Electron either, but I don’t see how latency and resource usage are any more important for a terminal than other apps, like editors or messaging apps or email etc.

I made the mistake of using Tabby (another electron terminal) a while back, and it convinced me electron terminals shouldn't exist. Its easy to accidentally run a command to print out a lot of text in a terminal, at which point the slow rendering pace means you'll need to kill your session and restart (or wait 5 minutes). That just can't happen with emails in the same way because the displayed content is more predictable.

Re: Waveterm

#60

Looking at the screenshots, I find it really difficult to parse. Maybe if they simplified the prompt a bit it would be easier, but my focus is bouncing all around the screenshots trying to find the prompt. You’re typing in the centre of the screen not the left because of all that junk? What is the point in having status in the prompt if you control the window chrome and can put that status in a more convenient place?…

I thought it was just the marketing trying to show off too many features at once, and I'd really like a more workspace-centric approach to terminals, so I gave it a download -- unfortunately the actual UI is worse than the screenshots they show.

- Sidebar that is either HUGE (and branded) or nonexistent (I'd like to see something like Discord's approach here)

- Only UI settings are a font size selector

- The input and cwd are on different lines for some reason (though it shows huge helper text inline with the input)

- Weird borders and shadows on elements that are super jarring.

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