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The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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I saw the movie last night and for my first Godzilla experience, I was extremely impressed. It deserves its 97% RT rating, and manages to do so much with its limited $15m budget as well. I recommend that you give it a watch while it's still out in extended limited release due to its success.

I also watched it last night, and it is my top pick for the year. It felt like a fantasy fulfillment film. For a nation with profound martial pride, the defeat in WW2 must have been a deep wound. But then there's Godzilla, an enemy that Japan can finally triumph over. It's not a criticism. As long as the story is well-executed, who cares.

I mean, since this article is explicitly political and thoroughly interesting context I definitely have some criticism that I think should be stated here. I saw the film and it was very well made and enjoyable. A friend invited me and I didn't know anything about it before going in.

That said, there are clear problems with the political narrative in the film given it's supposed to be artwork. Making a film about redemption without in any way commenting on the evil atrocities you committed is extremely Japanese and morally dubious at best... downright propaganda at worst. Were the Japanese public and military rank and file the real victims of the war? Is it ok to pronounce the moral ambiguity of the top brass without commenting on the Holocaust-level crimes committed?

These things were glaring in the theater. And I know I'm going to get the standard "doesn't matter good film" responses for having an honest appraisal of the conceptual idea. But it's bad in that way. If we want to move into a brighter future we need both redemption and brutal honesty and this was only one of those things. Good popcorn film? Absolutely. Cultural artwork on a new level? Definitely not.

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Interesting analysis of an outstanding movie, but one fact check regarding the shinden aircraft. > A key element in his strategy is the prototype of an advanced fighter plane, the Shinden, which never flew, Japan having surrendered before it was ready for action. Unlike Otoshima Island, the Shinden actually existed, though no photos or traces of it remain. There is a photo of one of the prototypes taken after the war…

For the curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W_Shinden

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Now replace the Japanese with the Nazi and you’ll see how this is an absurd premise for a movie

Soldier is on losing side of war, was unable to go through with morally objectionable orders, comes home to find everyone they ever knew died in bombing campaigns, and over time has to learn how to deal with the psychological and physical toll the war left on them.

But of course that's an absurd premise because Nazis and apparently the Japanese are not humans and therefore can't have human-like stories or something I guess.

Shit and you're not even the same person who commented above that all Japanese movies should essentially be 2 hours of Japanese actors apologizing for war atrocities their country committed 80 years ago.

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Now replace the Japanese with the Nazi and you’ll see how this is an absurd premise for a movie

Care to elaborate?

The Japanese Army and the Japanese politicians never really paid for their WW2 crimes and the crimes committed prior to that (the invasion of China started in 1937, 1931 if you include Manchuria). They even left the Japanese emperor in place after WW2.

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also watched it last night, and it is my top pick for the year. It felt like a fantasy fulfillment film. For a nation with profound martial pride, the defeat in WW2 must have been a deep wound. But then there's Godzilla, an enemy that Japan can finally triumph over. It's not a criticism. As long as the story is well-executed, who cares.

I mean, since this article is explicitly political and thoroughly interesting context I definitely have some criticism that I think should be stated here. I saw the film and it was very well made and enjoyable. A friend invited me and I didn't know anything about it before going in. That said, there are clear problems with the political narrative in the film given it's supposed to be artwork. Making a film about rede…

> Making a film about redemption without in any way commenting on the evil atrocities you committed is extremely Japanese and morally dubious at best... downright propaganda at worst. Were the Japanese public and military rank and file the real victims of the war? Is it ok to pronounce the moral ambiguity of the top brass without commenting on the Holocaust-level crimes committed?

It's easy to cast them as bad guys because they were defeated. Victor's justice and everything. Be thankful for nukes else one day the shoe might be on the other foot and and history will be rewritten again.

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, since this article is explicitly political and thoroughly interesting context I definitely have some criticism that I think should be stated here. I saw the film and it was very well made and enjoyable. A friend invited me and I didn't know anything about it before going in. That said, there are clear problems with the political narrative in the film given it's supposed to be artwork. Making a film about rede…

> Making a film about redemption without in any way commenting on the evil atrocities you committed is extremely Japanese and morally dubious at best... downright propaganda at worst. Were the Japanese public and military rank and file the real victims of the war? Is it ok to pronounce the moral ambiguity of the top brass without commenting on the Holocaust-level crimes committed? It's easy to cast them as bad guys b…

> It's easy to cast them as bad guys because they were defeated.

It's also easy because they were the aggressors. The attack on Pearl Harbor when we were at peace does not leave a lot of room for nuance. We were not their oppressors, we were just in the way of their conquests.

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also watched it last night, and it is my top pick for the year. It felt like a fantasy fulfillment film. For a nation with profound martial pride, the defeat in WW2 must have been a deep wound. But then there's Godzilla, an enemy that Japan can finally triumph over. It's not a criticism. As long as the story is well-executed, who cares.

I mean, since this article is explicitly political and thoroughly interesting context I definitely have some criticism that I think should be stated here. I saw the film and it was very well made and enjoyable. A friend invited me and I didn't know anything about it before going in. That said, there are clear problems with the political narrative in the film given it's supposed to be artwork. Making a film about rede…

I think I can apply your last two paragraphs to pretty much any movie unintentionally celebrating the United States security apparatus, politics, public policy, or exploitative crony capitalism that that people lust over for whatever reason.

"That said, there are clear problems with the political narrative in the film Oppenheimer, given that it's supposed to be artwork. Making a film about a nuclear weapon without in any way extensively showcasing the result of it's use on a civilian population i.e. the consequences of the development of that weapon is extremely American and morally dubious at best...downright propaganda at worst. Were the American public and military rank and file the real victims of WW2 ()? Is it ok to pronounce the moral ambiguity of the top brass without commenting on the Holocaust-level crimes committed?

These things were glaring in the theater. And I know I'm going to get the standard 'MAGA move to a Commie country' for having an honest appraisal of the conceptual idea. But it's bad in that way. ..."

War is a complex issue and making a film about Japan's war crimes (the first installment of the Ip Man series was good with this) is something which has to be met with approval from its government who have their hands in film finance as well. Japan is not exactly a capitalist economy-- it is culturally a command economy and everyone listens to the government (this is actually one of the critiques of Shin Godzilla and even if this Godzilla movie).

There are not that many governments that are going to be thrilled about you making a movie shitting on their armed forces or speaking on their war crimes. In the United States, our first amendment protects give us tremendous leeway to do this, but there is a lot of other pressures which can be extorted to kill a film prior to release.

Scorcese recently released Killers of the Flower Moon, which is not about a Holocaust, but about a limited genocide, and people are already bitching about the length, and it is as long as a "rah rah America" Avengers movie. This kind of movie was hard to make in the United States. It would be impossible to make in Japan. People there have to use metaphors to talk about getting nuked (aside from Grave of the Fireflies showing the Tokyo Firebombing, which was worse). How are you supposed to use a metaphor for an Asian Holocaust? If they did it would it come off as insensitive to a Western viewer?

This is a political Godzilla movie. It's a movie about Japan dealing with post war recovery. Maybe next time, there will be a Godzilla who comes and frees all the slave labor in the Imphal India campaign (maybe involve the Indian film industry to reduce cost). Maybe you should pitch it to be developed here with US political assistance and pressure so that Japanese war crimes are addressed. It's certainly a good idea.

But I would hesitate from: -- being a hypocrite. -- critiquing simplistically without seeing the larger work of this director.

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Making a film about redemption without in any way commenting on the evil atrocities you committed is extremely Japanese and morally dubious at best... downright propaganda at worst. Were the Japanese public and military rank and file the real victims of the war? Is it ok to pronounce the moral ambiguity of the top brass without commenting on the Holocaust-level crimes committed? It's easy to cast them as bad guys b…

> It's easy to cast them as bad guys because they were defeated. It's also easy because they were the aggressors. The attack on Pearl Harbor when we were at peace does not leave a lot of room for nuance. We were not their oppressors, we were just in the way of their conquests.

Well we stopped selling them oil, so they must have framed us as oppressing their expansion

Re: The Geopolitics of Godzilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also watched it last night, and it is my top pick for the year. It felt like a fantasy fulfillment film. For a nation with profound martial pride, the defeat in WW2 must have been a deep wound. But then there's Godzilla, an enemy that Japan can finally triumph over. It's not a criticism. As long as the story is well-executed, who cares.

I mean, since this article is explicitly political and thoroughly interesting context I definitely have some criticism that I think should be stated here. I saw the film and it was very well made and enjoyable. A friend invited me and I didn't know anything about it before going in. That said, there are clear problems with the political narrative in the film given it's supposed to be artwork. Making a film about rede…

Japanese considering themselves victims in the war is something that has been present in Japanese cinema since the moment American-occupation censorship was lifted in the early 1950s. It’s present here and there in films by Kurosawa and Ozu that are now in the canon of world cinema. It seems a bit late to be offended by it.
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