The growth of fines, licenses and taxes in the USA is substantial over the last 100 years. Very few things do not require fees these days (even visiting public lands).
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New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan
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#12This idiocy will only hurt the working class employees who drive in from the outerboros.
Oh no, if only New York had the best transit system in the country.
Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan
#13As someone who takes public transit into the city and has almost been hit by a car while walking - I support this.
Driving comes with negative effects on others and capitalism only works when those externalities are paid by those creating them.
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#14This idiocy will only hurt the working class employees who drive in from the outerboros.
> There will also be discounts for low-incomes motorists (below $50,000 per year) who need the car to get around. However, as a 2022 study pointed out, most drivers who enter Manhattan have medium or high incomes, meaning only 4% of drivers will receive a discount
I read this as "96% of drivers will be fine." Do you have other information to add here? Would be interested if so.
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#16Ahh New York, let me tell you how Californians get around this without needing a “fake plate”:
* just take it off completely, who’s checking?
* thick black plastic license plate cover. Everybody’s got them.
* front plate optional!
* buy one of those “digital” license plates and just set it to show the car logo instead of ID. Teslas do it!
I’m just kidding by the way, California really needs to fix this problem too. The punishment for fake plates needs to be having the plate number ground on to your roof or something else permanent and embarrassing. Maybe welding a transponder to your engine block.
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#17This idiocy will only hurt the working class employees who drive in from the outerboros.
1. The overwhelming majority of outerboro working class people are not driving in NYC.
Only about 30% of NYCers even own cars.
2. This only impacts a small part of Manhattan and for certain hours in the day. The only thing it does is encourages those who can move their travel away from peak hours to do so. This will greatly help all the people driving in as well.
3. This will greatly save many lives through reduced pollution and reduced car crashes.
4. This will help bus services etc which service far more working class people from the outer boros than private cars.
5. Congestion pricing has worked very well and been expanded everywhere it’s tried. There’s no evidence of it hurting working class people anywhere. And the parts of Manhattan this affects might be the most densely populated in terms of public transport.
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#18This idiocy will only hurt the working class employees who drive in from the outerboros.
Oh no, if only New York had the best transit system in the country.
Which still doesn’t efficiently serve the outerboros? Why should they have to spend 2 hours in a train each way instead of 45 mins in a car?
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#19In London, we have a inner congestion zone, which is surrounded by a ultra low emission zone. The low emission zone only requires your car to be a few years old, though it has a bigger impact on vans and lorries.
Low emission zones should be called instead "no poor people zones" which is what in practice they are.
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#20> ’The city will charge $15 to passenger cars that enter the central strip of Manhattan, $24 to vans and $36 to buses and large trucks.’
Shouldn’t they charge progressive less the higher the occupancy is of the vehicle.
This pricing seems backwards to me.