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Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by codingdave »

reactordev wrote: post #10
codingdave wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is a joke, too, but I worry that you aren't seeing the joke if you think there is something here. This is a setup to take in dollars from everyone and arbitrage the sentiment difference across the userbase, effectively meaning they don't have to pay anything and just take the dollars home. That's the joke. And anyone who actually would put in dollars are who the joke would be being played upon were it rea…

I know but I was referring to just the concept of dollar vs anti-dollar. Not the payout or anything but just the idea that companies get X dollars where X is the sum of users who voted for them. Let the people decide. The reality is humans will find a way to make this corrupt.

But that doesn't let the people decide. That lets the people with spare dollars decide.

Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by genewitch »

cyanydeez wrote: post #19
reactordev wrote: post #5

I believe you may have something with Anti-dollar. Joking aside, there’s almost always a company on the other side of the coin. Boycotting or otherwise public outcry’s and cancel culture would look a whole lot different if it were a value-based voting platform where competing interests vie for the value. Add reporting for government agencies on what’s “hot” and it sends a clear picture on what the national sentiment…

cancel culture is a meaningless phrase , it's just culture.

I suppose it's more that a culture that encourages actions that result in someone deemed unworthy experiencing negativity.

Read as: don't say anything, ever*, anywhere that isn't droll corp-speak, because somebody, somewhere will have an issue with it and try to take you to task. If that somebody has a lot of followers, you could be out of a job/home/country/freedom.

*trawling through post history et al to find narratives they don't agree with, too

Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by genewitch »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #25
aaron695 wrote: post #14

There's at least one learning tool where you pick a charity you hate and it donates your money if you don't do your weekly lessons. More to this idea, paying micropayments to remove money from articles would be interesting. It would flatten bias. Reporters don't want to piss people off, reporting true facts would minimise this. It'd be interesting to see what style of article would emerge. (And people can't be bother…

Sadly, the name ‘hatreon’ appears to have already been taken by a defunct Patreon alternative, because otherwise that's exactly what this ‘business model’ could be called.

grudgepay

Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by gosub100 »

notahacker wrote: post #16
stevage wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but imagine if there was something like this for real, only the dollars weren't greedily kept, but spent in some way that people on both sides support. Like, maybe pro-choice and anti-abortion supporters would both support the excess money going to support new mothers or adoption programs.

Then imagine the incentives for campaigners to skip the two-sided prediction market and just spend their money on advertising directly to voters and lobbying politicians. Or the implications of implementing the only way to make this actually work by taking the pesky voters out of the decision process altogether and just letting the money decide the outcome...

or they'd just shift the debate to why you shouldn't give money to the opposing party's cause: "they say the money is for ___, but really they do ____ with it".

Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by cyanydeez »

genewitch wrote: post #33
cyanydeez wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cancel culture is a meaningless phrase , it's just culture.

I suppose it's more that a culture that encourages actions that result in someone deemed unworthy experiencing negativity. Read as: don't say anything, ever*, anywhere that isn't droll corp-speak, because somebody, somewhere will have an issue with it and try to take you to task. If that somebody has a lot of followers, you could be out of a job/home/country/freedom. *trawling through post history et al to find narra…

yes, and they used to behead kings.

it's culture. culture shuns what it rejects and lifts up.

Shame is even ritualistic in some cultures.

it's definitely just a phrase used by the short end of the stick.

I'm sure there's a nuanced view of a culture that doesn't dive deep enough and mistakes some virtue and accidentally avoids something of value.

but ultimately, it's a term that's just respinniing what cultures do. they select memes and their purveyors and reject the to advance.

evolution works both as species and as culture. we, the advanced scientific community have dropped the idea that evolution moves towards some greater good and just acknowledge evolution is adaptation to environment.

lastly, culture is what people both adapt to and mold by their actions. with social media that's now basically an infinite fractal.

Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by nostrademons »

j4yav wrote: post #28
shpx wrote: post #21

The organization pairs won't be exactly 1-to-1 because building is harder than destroying, different organizations are more efficient and money is non-linear. If you had a "dump oil in national parks" and a "clean up oil dumped in national parks", you'd need $1000 for every $1 of effort dumping oil. So at best this system is a discovery mechanism for comparatively valuing organizations, but it's not really set up tha…

It's satire.

The comment might be too, but you never know on the Internet. Poe's Law.

Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by plagiarist »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #6

Despite being satire, I think that could work in the US. It plays off the my team / their team dynamic and sends some fraction of the donated money onwards. Very like an inefficiently run fundraising organisation. There's an outside chance of the setup making a loss for the organisers but only if a pair is very unevenly matched (and that's fixable by letting the 'onmimatch' run down to 0%). I'm not even sure it quali…

I think it is literally a satire of US FPTP voting. Tons of money go in and the winner receives a pittance. Compare to something like proportional representation or score voting.

Re: Deadweight Loss as a Service

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

genewitch wrote: post #33
cyanydeez wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cancel culture is a meaningless phrase , it's just culture.

I suppose it's more that a culture that encourages actions that result in someone deemed unworthy experiencing negativity. Read as: don't say anything, ever*, anywhere that isn't droll corp-speak, because somebody, somewhere will have an issue with it and try to take you to task. If that somebody has a lot of followers, you could be out of a job/home/country/freedom. *trawling through post history et al to find narra…

> I suppose it's more that a culture that encourages actions that result in someone deemed unworthy experiencing negativity.

This sounds like most cultures in history. The majority of them have some sort of social shunning for people who act like a jerk (read: acts in ways society and culture have decided are jerkish)

> Read as: don't say anything, ever, anywhere that isn't droll corp-speak, because somebody, somewhere will have an issue with it and try to take you to task. If that somebody has a lot of followers, you could be out of a job/home/country/freedom.

this sounds like an exaggerated victim complex. Try it with "kittens are cute" and not something jerk-ish, and let's see if someone pops out of the woodwork to destroy your job/home/country/freedom.

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