I have been introduced to Deleuze, but oh my, he is really hard work, even secondhand. If interested in assemblage theory, start with DeLanda.
Gilles Deleuze – What is Philosophy? [audio]
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#12Deleuze is one of the best thinkers of the last century, but he requires a lot of reading before what he's saying can make any sense.
He is very popular in the arts, but I don’t understand why. It’s vaguely platonic (which I like) but obtuse (like kant).
Re: Gilles Deleuze – What is Philosophy? [audio]
#13Philosophize This is a very beginner friendly podcast. I'd gladly recommend it to anyone with even cursory interest. Then you go to History of Philosophy without Any Gaps. ;)
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#14"Deleuze's work is characterized by his emphasis on difference and multiplicity, which he saw as fundamental to understanding the world. He developed a philosophy of becoming, which emphasizes the importance of change and transformation." Vacuous. Reminds me of David Stove's "What is wrong with our thoughts" [1]. [1] https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/wrongthoughts.html
Multiplicity, because relationships become important. Difference, because that drives emergence. Becoming, because when you're dealing with the emergent (eg social structures), how they come into being is essential to understanding them.
Re: Gilles Deleuze – What is Philosophy? [audio]
#15As a teenager, I was enjoying Sciences classes, but not Philisophy at all at that time, I was really lagging behind in maturity, of course now 20 years later it's different. I don't think Philisophy is something you can only learn, I think you need enough life experience, maturity, wisdom so distance and time
Also with a lot of the French philosophers, there’s an assumption that you’ve already had a standard Sorbonne education, and now you’re ready for a revisionist interpretation of some fundamental questions in the standard model, but if you’re just coming to it as an American undergrad, you’re missing a lot of the context, so the revision makes no sense.
Re: Gilles Deleuze – What is Philosophy? [audio]
#16Philosophize This is a very beginner friendly podcast. I'd gladly recommend it to anyone with even cursory interest. Then you go to History of Philosophy without Any Gaps. ;)
Or if they're looking for written content, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is a great resource. It has articles on lots of philosophical topics, and they're fairly accessible
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#17Deleuze is one of the best thinkers of the last century, but he requires a lot of reading before what he's saying can make any sense.
He is very popular in the arts, but I don’t understand why. It’s vaguely platonic (which I like) but obtuse (like kant).
the only thing I know about him (them, with Guattari), is that they went all-in to post-modern stuff with regards to the individual and society, and a lot of artists are simply find that relatable. (only the non-conformist can survive in this capitalist wasteland of ever increasing economic efficiency, etc.. etc..)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Oedipus with the subtitle "Capitalism and Schizophrenia" ... and in the second part "A Thousand Plateaus" they discuss a lot of artists
> obtuse
who isn't? but seriously, first-hand reading of philosophy seems like a big no-no, almost all of it is derivative and it's very hard to present it in an efficient way (just the exposition/background/context required for [comprehending] thought experiments is usually a few dense pages, etc.)
or possibly my past encounters were very unfortunate, and it'd be great to hear some suggestions!
Re: Gilles Deleuze – What is Philosophy? [audio]
#18Deleuze is one of the best thinkers of the last century, but he requires a lot of reading before what he's saying can make any sense.
He is very popular in the arts, but I don’t understand why. It’s vaguely platonic (which I like) but obtuse (like kant).
Deleuze shows up in film and sound design, maybe music a bit. I get
why; process, change, emergence, diversity... all have a deep bearing
on these arts. Personally find it useful for understanding media in a
theoretical way. But what practising artists can really use from
Deleuze, I am unsure.
Re: Gilles Deleuze – What is Philosophy? [audio]
#19Philosophize This is a very beginner friendly podcast. I'd gladly recommend it to anyone with even cursory interest. Then you go to History of Philosophy without Any Gaps. ;)
Excuse my spamminess (and for hijacking the current top comment), but I would like to recommend the innocent looking episode 162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-43zh_za_eQ The Creation of Meaning - The Denial of Death
( transcript https://www.philosophizethis.org/transcript/episode-162-tran... )
"The Denial of Death is a 1973 book by American cultural anthropologist Ernest Becker which discusses the psychological and philosophical implications of ..." clickbait! well, no, not clickbait, but death, but maybe it's the same thing? listen and you'll find out :)
Re: Gilles Deleuze – What is Philosophy? [audio]
#20"Deleuze's work is characterized by his emphasis on difference and multiplicity, which he saw as fundamental to understanding the world. He developed a philosophy of becoming, which emphasizes the importance of change and transformation." Vacuous. Reminds me of David Stove's "What is wrong with our thoughts" [1]. [1] https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/wrongthoughts.html
deleuze was actually pretty well read in the natural sciences of his times, especially physics. even if you find this short snippet vacuous-sounding, he is actually one of the few philosophers whose metaphors about impenetrable parts of reality are grounded.