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Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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This immediately reminded me of the Palm Pre iTunes/iPod protocol reverse engineering debacle from the oughts.

It became a game of whackamole where by Palm would update their OS (RIP WebOS) to reintroduce support for iTunes to their devices and Apple would bend over backwards to break it again.

Did Beeper not anticipate that this was inevitably coming and put fallbacks and rotational serial numbers in place if Apple start getting blocky?

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> Where is the hacker spirit here? The hacker spirit is the fun of reverse engineering. The hacker spirit is about personal use. It's not expecting to be able to turn it into a business , or a popular app, that wouldn't quickly be shut down. That's just common sense. > Myself for example owns a Macbook, but an Android phone. Am I not allowed to use iMessage? I paid the toll. Of course you can. It's sitting there on y…

> Of course you can. It's sitting there on your Mac where you can use it as much as you like. For what? I own a Mac an iPhone and an iPad but iMessage and FaceTime are entirely useless to me because no one I communicate with on a regular basis uses Apple devices. Same thing with various iCloud sharing features. Not using the family sharing offers is entirely uneconomical as well. So what happens is that I gravitate t…

What’s the problem here? Seems like you found fine alternatives.

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This was the obvious outcome. People were being willfully blind about how this "hack" works. Using an exfiltrated binary they used its blackbox functions to perform a sort of device attestation using ripped Apple device identifiers. Clearly Apple simply needs to blacklist any device attestation that this service uses, which is obviously trivial. These aren't just RNGs they're fabricating, they're sets of legitimate A…

Interestingly enough, there are companies out there making a business of doing this with WhatsApp! I have no idea why Meta isn’t cracking down in it, it seems absolutely insane

https://www.telemessage.com/mobile-archiver/whatsapp-archive...

It’s literally a hacked WhatsApp binary (that logs all your messages) that they sell to corporate clients…

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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> Where is the hacker spirit here? The hacker spirit is the fun of reverse engineering. The hacker spirit is about personal use. It's not expecting to be able to turn it into a business , or a popular app, that wouldn't quickly be shut down. That's just common sense. > Myself for example owns a Macbook, but an Android phone. Am I not allowed to use iMessage? I paid the toll. Of course you can. It's sitting there on y…

Use WhatsApp - it works on both platforms.

WhatsApp (meta / facebook) acts exactly like apple here: they're sending cease and desist letters to OSS projects.

Better use matrix which is an open protocol.

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As a European living in the US, it's been baffling to me. Everywhere else in the world people use WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, etc. This iMessage green/blue bubble nonsense just isn't a thing outside the US.

I mean, isn't this just trading one bad monopoly for another? It's weird to me that everyone's like "oh, the backwards US where they gave in to the Apple monopoly. We enlightened rest of the world use Facebook's Whatsapp like real free people".

Yes, but at least you get the same experience on every device with the other monopolies.

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This is a wake-up call. It's high time we demand open-source messaging standards across all platforms. Imagine a world where communication isn't dictated by corporate interests but by user needs and innovation.

> It's high time we demand open-source messaging standards across all platforms. What, like this https://github.com/signalapp ? The only thing holding this back are end users. Not corporations or governments. A safe, vetable 'standard' exists, it just needs ratifying by a standards body. It is available cross platform and is free of charge and free-as-in-beer (mostly AGPL I believe). Messages app exists to send SMS,…

Nope. You can't blame uses for this. The reason we have governments at all is because individuals all operating independently cannot get out of local optima like this

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Let's think higher than that. Let's just get rid of megacorporations: let's mandate that any company with more than amount of X employees should be broken down into smaller divisions, with a separate board and CEO, and make it that no one can be on more than one board at the same time. Make X low enough, 250, and all of this would go away: no more corporatism, no more monopolies, no more special groups interests payi…

As with any system, it is just a matter of time before loopholes are found and exploited.

As with any policy, it will be up to the Government to use its three branches of power to determine and enforce their laws.

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post #752

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> Of course you can. It's sitting there on your Mac where you can use it as much as you like. For what? I own a Mac an iPhone and an iPad but iMessage and FaceTime are entirely useless to me because no one I communicate with on a regular basis uses Apple devices. Same thing with various iCloud sharing features. Not using the family sharing offers is entirely uneconomical as well. So what happens is that I gravitate t…

What’s the problem here? Seems like you found fine alternatives.

My problem is that I'm paying for something that could be far more useful than it is, and I haven't actually found satisfactory alternatives. For instance, I haven't found an end-to-end encrypted and still user friendly cloud option for my photos.

Apple's problem is that they are selling less to me than they could and risk losing me as a hardware customer as well.

Now, I totally get their strategy. It's a bet that net net they are locking more people in than they are locking out. It's hard to tell whether or not this is paying off for them. Not even Apple can know the counterfactuals.

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It’s also at severe risk of ruining the fun for numerous other hacker-spirit communities like hackintosh or opencore. Apple can come down on this in ways that potentially make it much more difficult for hackintosh to operate, or for people to update their legitimate apple systems after the end of official support. Which was pointed out in those threads too. See also geohot taking some other PS3 exploits that were alr…

> it still puts the hackintosh and opencore communities in the middle as collateral damage. Hackintosh is already on a death march. Sooner or later Apple will remove support for all x86 OSX versions. Its life can be extended a bit by hackers who try to backport the software from ARM to x86. But you can't sustain the entire Apple ecosystem by volunteer work alone. Why spend resources trying to kill it when we all know…

Arm based PCs are becoming a thing too. Won't the hackintosh have a new home there?

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i am just flabbergasted that we are living in a timeline where the phrase "proprietary protocol" is a real thing

Aren't most protocols proprietary? Every app builds their own on top of standard protocols like HTTP, TLS, and IP. Not all services are hostile to third party clients though

well, there's proprietary in the sense of "not a standard" and proprietary in the sense of "no one else can make software that uses this protocol". the latter is very weird if you think about it.
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