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Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by j_col » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 1:54 PM UTC

zerostar07 wrote: post #36

j_col wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook have given back plenty of open source to the dev community. Scribe (their federated logging server) and HipHop (their PHP compiler) come to mind immediately, but there may be others.

Their business tactics are ridiculously sleazy though. Aside from the google smear campaign fiasco last year, do you know that facebook does not allow AdSense advertising on it's 3rd party applications? They don't want FB ads performance to be compared with Google's (more profitable ads) on the same pages.

I somewhat agree. Frankly I'm no fan off Google, Facebook, or Apple. But pretending that one of them is more "open" then the other because they open source some software now and again is a falsehood: they are all for-profit corporations, with more in common with each other then what separates them, notions of culture aside.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 1:57 PM UTC

tferris wrote: post #27

rbarooah wrote: post #11

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I agree that you don't get my point. The reason Google hasn't built a walled garden around the internet because they simply don't yet have the power to do that. You talk as if it was something they could easily have done but have chosen not to. I disagree. They just aren't in a position to do it. It makes no sense at all to say that innovation on the web has vanished because of the Appstore. We are in in a boom time…

Pardon, you are totally misleading. Google could do this—there are multiple options to silently wallgarden the user. Just check how much traffic Google moves. If they want they could arbitrarily redirect traffic and subtly punish user's not using their tools. But that's not their culture. Just look at their products, how far they pushing the boundaries and still stay open, give back and contribute to the community. L…

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Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by brudgers » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 1:58 PM UTC

zerostar07 wrote: post #35

brudgers wrote: post #25

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"You can be successful with your product on the WWW without employing any Google services" It is often more difficult to be successful on the internet without devoting significant resources to Google specific SEO. Doing so without the benefit of Google search would be orders of magnitude more difficult, and Google is under no obligation to return any particular website in their results (e.g. Safe Search). Google is a…

Twitter, facebook, airbnb didn't do any SEO

JustinTV, Scribd, and Carwoo are more typical new companies.

Ebay and Amazon are more typical of large consumer facing companies.

Facebook does a great deal of SEO - it's how they compete with Linkedin for eyeballs.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 1:58 PM UTC

tferris wrote: post #27

rbarooah wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that you don't get my point. The reason Google hasn't built a walled garden around the internet because they simply don't yet have the power to do that. You talk as if it was something they could easily have done but have chosen not to. I disagree. They just aren't in a position to do it. It makes no sense at all to say that innovation on the web has vanished because of the Appstore. We are in in a boom time…

Pardon, you are totally misleading. Google could do this—there are multiple options to silently wallgarden the user. Just check how much traffic Google moves. If they want they could arbitrarily redirect traffic and subtly punish user's not using their tools. But that's not their culture. Just look at their products, how far they pushing the boundaries and still stay open, give back and contribute to the community. L…

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Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 1:58 PM UTC

tferris wrote: post #27

rbarooah wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that you don't get my point. The reason Google hasn't built a walled garden around the internet because they simply don't yet have the power to do that. You talk as if it was something they could easily have done but have chosen not to. I disagree. They just aren't in a position to do it. It makes no sense at all to say that innovation on the web has vanished because of the Appstore. We are in in a boom time…

Pardon, you are totally misleading. Google could do this—there are multiple options to silently wallgarden the user. Just check how much traffic Google moves. If they want they could arbitrarily redirect traffic and subtly punish user's not using their tools. But that's not their culture. Just look at their products, how far they pushing the boundaries and still stay open, give back and contribute to the community. L…

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Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by tferris » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 2:13 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #45

tferris wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon, you are totally misleading. Google could do this—there are multiple options to silently wallgarden the user. Just check how much traffic Google moves. If they want they could arbitrarily redirect traffic and subtly punish user's not using their tools. But that's not their culture. Just look at their products, how far they pushing the boundaries and still stay open, give back and contribute to the community. L…

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I couldn't reply before to your post because the reply link was missing (guess the system does not allow too many post in a given period of time), so I used my former post and put an "EDIT+my reply" in order to comment on your words. I should have waited and replied properly. Thanks for your understanding.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by crdoconnor » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 2:30 PM UTC

>Today, starting such a service would entail navigating a number of new tollbooths and gatekeepers.

One of them being Google.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by crdoconnor » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 2:31 PM UTC

rwmj wrote: post #4

What new "tollbooths and gatekeepers" is he talking about? If I wanted to start an online store or search engine today, who would I be paying?

Search engine: You'd be paying for traffic. Google does it. Bing does it. You'd have to do is. P.S. Good luck with that one, you're going to need it.

Online store: You'd be paying for adwords, probably.

Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 2:37 PM UTC

tferris wrote: post #46

[deleted] wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I couldn't reply before to your post because the reply link was missing (guess the system does not allow too many post in a given period of time), so I used my former post and put an "EDIT+my reply" in order to comment on your words. I should have waited and replied properly. Thanks for your understanding.

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Re: Sergey Brin's Clarification On Guardian article

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Post by dchest » Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 2:45 PM UTC

zerostar07 wrote: post #24

To me this is another example of a fundamental difference between the Web 1.0 entrepreneur generation and today's superstar startup CEOs. The former's ambitions ranged from data liberation, information freedom and up to interplanetary travel. The new generation's ambitions end in their stock valuations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection