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Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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As someone in tech, I think it's awesome they were able to find a way into iMessage. As an iPhone user, I hate the idea that spammers can now use iMessage, and I'm glad the service was taken down. Both things can be true at once.

Spam is not really an issue. For me, it just goes to the "Unknown Senders" tab. No notification, so I am not bothered. Occasionally check it if I am expecting a message from a random number.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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There's an open standard they're refusing to adopt that would be more secure than forcing users back to SMS.

If you mean RCS, end-to-end encryption is not part of the standard, it is a non-standard extension supported only by the google messages app https://support.google.com/messages/answer/10262381?hl=en

Does RCS need E2E to be better than SMS when it comes to privacy/security?

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Since apple has no control over your fire extinguisher, they sent a man to securely take it from your house and dispose of it. It could have been a bomb for all you know.

It's time that we as an industry push back against Apple and Google. The smartphone is the single most important device for modern life and society. It's news, photos, communications with loved ones, work, entertainment, food, paying for practically everything... And it's just two companies. Two companies with an iron grip over such a wide and diverse set of functionalities that, taken together, should be as inaliena…

The alternative phones outside the duopoly exist.

Sent from my Librem 5.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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An open source client for iMessage is going to be used for fraud and spam. Before this, a device being blocked by Apple because it was used for fraud or spam would increase the cost of business for fraudsters and spammers. But now it's a matter of picking a new phone number. Of course Apple would try hard to stop this.

Is spam a good reason for Apple to keep their iMessage garden exclusive? SMS is also widely used for spam.

I am not in the position to judge that. But reducing spam on iMessage is beneficial for Apple customers, and as a customer, I want Apple to be able to do that.

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Do sms/mms received from iMessage users on Android look anything in particular? Because a possible move for Google would be to reject them by default in some future version (hm hm, "security reasons"). End of "yes you're still in but you look like a cripple" and begin of "this app doesn't allow me to talk to that person, if I want to reach him I need to switch to something that supports Android".

SMS is handled by carriers, so google couldn't really block messages from iPhone users specifically. And that's not considering what an incredibly bad move it would be for them if they could somehow reject only iPhone texts.

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We can all have our preferences. But I love having a very fast laptop that lasts 18 hours on a single charge, for under $1,000, with a high-dpi screen. My Macbook Air M1 is a product I and a lot of people love.

I'm sure, and I'm not one to launch flame at those who do love. If it works for them, great! I'm glad those find pleasure in them. They have pros/cons, as does cloud services which stems off for me in to another dislike. I'm used to my own ways, as everyone else is. There's not much else I can say to the discussion but just wanted to reiterate my point that I'm not hating others for the reason but just disliking for…

I was only giving an example of an Apple product that _I_ love, and can just as easily described my iPhone, except I think and Android is probably just as good, or very close, where the Macbook Air's leaped ahead of competition.

But anyway, this is only _my_ beloved product, and I certainly hadn't even considered a disability that would get in the way, and apologize for my ignorance. I hope you can find some setup that works well for you specifically that you end up loving :)

Truly sorry—certainly didn't mean to offend.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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Keep in mind that this is spin — Erik's statement is ridiculous, and he knows it. To think that Apple would somehow not treat Beeper like any other bad actor hacking iMessage protocols is delulu.

Sure, that's fair. But if he knows that, why spend the time to build this app in the first place? Is it a marketing play? It did buy them a whole lot of attention.

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Beeper doesn't give you iMessage. It just makes you appear as a "blue bubble" to people who are on iMessage.

> It just makes you appear as a "blue bubble" to people who are on iMessage.

Received messages on iPhones show up as neither blue nor green. They always have a gray background. The blue and green bubbles are the colors of the messages sent by the iPhone users on their own phones. Recipients, on other iPhones, will see messages with a gray background regardless of whether it was sent with iMessage or SMS/MMS.

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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post #153

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Since apple has no control over your fire extinguisher, they sent a man to securely take it from your house and dispose of it. It could have been a bomb for all you know.

It's time that we as an industry push back against Apple and Google. The smartphone is the single most important device for modern life and society. It's news, photos, communications with loved ones, work, entertainment, food, paying for practically everything... And it's just two companies. Two companies with an iron grip over such a wide and diverse set of functionalities that, taken together, should be as inaliena…

Agreed with all of this. I'm happy to see others who care about these issues- all too often on HN that's not the case :-\

Re: Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

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If signal would officially allow third party clients, non-phone-number-bound users and maybe federation that'd be great. It does not.

Does iMessage allow third party clients? No? Then why the double standard?

I'm saying that if we hold something to a higher standard lets actually hold them to a higher standard.

Is signal better than iMessage? Probably. Should we ask for them to be better than they are? Yes.

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