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The pro-Israel information war

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Post by xkekjrktllss »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #510
abusada wrote: post #361

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Hello there, a Palestinian from the west bank here speaking, let me tell you something, our resistance has nothing to do with Israel being a Jewish state, if my brother stole my house and killed my children i will fight him just the same, and you would too and everyone else (I assume). jewish, muslim, christian, vegan.. doesn't matter. Now Hamas does play on the string of religion to get to people, and so does Israel…

Is it really worth fighting over a piece of land for generations? It's just dirt, there's nothing special about it. Almost all borders are the results of war and conquest throughout history, it's better to accept that and move on.

Where do you suggest they go?

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Post by underdeserver »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #290
Terr_ wrote: post #105

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> An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. Treading a fine line here between Bayesian priors and stereotypes, but the worldwide Muslim/Jewish population split is something like 112:1. Obviously that's not going to be the same proportion on a given media-service, but it should still inform our expectations of what is the "default" state before theorizing about platform algorithm-tweakin…

This also presumes that any Muslim will be pro-Palestine and any Jewish person would be pro-Israel, a pretty strong statement given that entire communities within Israel are staunchly opposed to their ongoing actions against Hamas, which increasingly seem to be actually against Palestinian people, whom themselves also have a wide and diverse set of opinions about Hamas. The war is shockingly unpopular on both sides o…

At least on the Israeli side, this is wrong. An enormous majority of people are convinced that the war is justified. 1200 dead; that would be the equivalent of 40,000 Americans. 240 kidnapped, with 137 still there. Hamas have proven their capabilities and determination. And then they say[1] that they intend to do it again. When someone tells you that they want you annihilated, and intend to attack you, believe them.

[1] https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-ghazi-hamad-we-will-...

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Post by ComputerGuru »

senderista wrote: post #426
ComputerGuru wrote: post #414

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Totally unrelated, did you know it was Israel that armed the Azeri army for their ethnic cleansing campaign? https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/rjhofzoet

I certainly did. They won't even sell Harop or Spike to Ukraine. Did you know about the Israeli killer drone sales demo for the Azeris that practiced on live Armenian soldiers? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-08-15/ty-article/is...

I did not! But Elbit tests its war machines in Gaza for R&D “in their backyard” and then sells them as “real world battle tested,” so I’m not surprised.

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Post by EvgeniyZh »

roenxi wrote: post #362
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Criticizing the actions of Israel is not anti-semitic, and many Israelis and Jews are critical of the Israeli government and its actions (even more than usual during the ongoing political crisis). Many of the critics I see lack nuance (basically, "rooting for the underdog"), but that's a different problem. The problem is complicated, and there is no simple solution (some kind of two-state may work after many years).…

> Supporting Hamas ... is anti-semitic > https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... Then the Times of Israel is on the record with articles accusing Netanyahu of being anti-semitic. I don't think those things you list are anti-semitic - they just happen to be politically bad for Jews right now. There is a difference (an important one) between policies-bad-for-a-group and being motivated by an unr…

> There is a difference (an important one) between policies-bad-for-a-group and being motivated by an unreasonable hatred of a group.

Sure. You don't have to have anti-semitic views to say anti-semitic things. The thing doesn't become less anti-semitic if you weren't motivated by hatred. It is also an unobservable difference because I can't say what your motivation is, only what is the meaning of your words and actions. Someone may want to ban black people from attending universities so that white people have more spots, the fact that they are not motivated by unreasonable hatred doesn't magically make the ban not racist.

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dralley wrote: post #390
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Are there actually many equally abhorrent issues right now? I can think of like, 2, and they're both involving the exact same actors. Doctors were forced at gunpoint to leave premature babies to rot at Al Nasr hospital. And you're surprised that the world is horrified?! Journalists and healthcare staff and schools have been targeted at a shocking rate. Civil infrastructure and historic churches blown up without the t…

This comes off as ignorant of events happening elsewhere. Approximately 600,000 people died in the Tigray conflict in Ethiopia in the two years from November 2020 to November 2022. 40% of the Ethiopian population is children. The Yemeni civil war (2016-present) had killed at least 377,000 people, as of two years ago. By now, many more than that. There are mass graves in Mali and Sudan where hundreds of bodies are jus…

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Post by rowanseymour »

wk_end wrote: post #32
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Another possible explanation for this skew is that TikTok and IG are primarily video platforms. The videos of destruction and death in Gaza are far more horrific than corresponding videos in Israel, because the scale of what Israel is doing to Gaza is so much greater than what Gaza has done to Israel. Another way of saying it is, it makes sense that someone who spends hours on apps optimized for empathy-based addicti…

It's also the nature of the violence. It's generally acceptable to show shots of bombed-out buildings and the like, or even display injured or dead bodies. The footage we and Israel have from Hamas depicts first-hand murder, rape and torture - all things which are going to violate TOS.

Rape and torture were not featured [1] in the recent propaganda movie Israel screened to select people in the West, so there's no reason to believe such footage exists.

1. https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1729487180630786219

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Post by sertbdfgbnfgsd »

azinman2 wrote: post #315
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There’s plenty of video of what’s happening in Yemen. I’m sure there’s video out there in Sudan, and many other places as well. The world just cares a whole lot less.

maybe because the scale isn't even close? Crazy idea I know.

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Post by seventhtiger »

dijit wrote: post #333
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> equally abohorrent Comparing it to the Ukraine's invasion and we can see this is so much more "invasive". There's a literal wall around 2M ppl with little agency, while most of them are refugees from the other side of the wall. To methis is one of the most abohorrent conflicts in earth in this day and age. Given South Africa is no longer segregated, and Rwanda reconciled. I'd be interested to hear what's equally ab…

Gaza borders Egypt and the West Bank borders Jordan. If they are blockaded by the country that they cant get along with then it is at least partially on Egypt and Jordan that they are given no way out.

Unless the refugees are guaranteed a right to return, then you're just asking for Jordan and Egypt to facilitate ethnic cleansing and finishing the job.

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Post by xkekjrktllss »

EvgeniyZh wrote: post #450
abusada wrote: post #361

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Hello there, a Palestinian from the west bank here speaking, let me tell you something, our resistance has nothing to do with Israel being a Jewish state, if my brother stole my house and killed my children i will fight him just the same, and you would too and everyone else (I assume). jewish, muslim, christian, vegan.. doesn't matter. Now Hamas does play on the string of religion to get to people, and so does Israel…

> and when we chant "From the river to the sea" we don't mean to kill anyone Don't you think it may be useful to use a different slogan from the people who mean and do that? > if we can be free and live together, but have dignity and human rights, so be it! But we can't. There won't be a one-state solution that satisfies everyone, and the earlier we understand it, the better. For the same reasons, the right of return…

A so-called "2 state solution" is an oxymoron. A state, by definition, has a sovereign monopoly on violence. Your 2 states already exist and they are inevitably at war.

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Post by oezi »

mrtksn wrote: post #262
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> the Zionist aspirations What has the current conflict to do with Zionist aspirations?

Sorry, I'm not going to bite that. Too complex of an issue to go over what happens why.

Yeah, it was just a quip that Zionism is not a good label to attach to what the EU and/or Ursula vdL has declared within this conflict.
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