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The pro-Israel information war

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You know it is in overdrive when the ICC thinks about investigating the IOF for war crimes and Netanyahu says the ICC is anti-Semitic. https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/06/israel-netanyahu-denounc... If Israel has its way, even thinking about Gaza as a concentration camp would be anti-Semitic. "anti-Semitic" has been thrown around so much that it has lost its value. A red balloon, a walrus, or a nice cup of tea can be…

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This is not surprising at all.

I feel like we had this war's WMD moment and its just not being covered!

The Al-Shifa hospital is a pretty interesting place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital

In 2014 it was called "...a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices." From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/while-israe...

The US and Israel claim that the hospital is again being used by Hammas: https://web.archive.org/web/20231205215049/http://www.reuter...

"Hamas is using bunkers built by Israel under Al-Shifa Hospital, former Israeli prime minister says" From: https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-wa...

Israel takes the hospital: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67436154 and this is one of the few reports from the time. I find it odd that there is more coverage on getting there then on everything they found (or did not find).

It takes almost a week to get footage of the "tunnel" that they found: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/19/idf-israel-arm...

I have yet to see a diagram, or some solid on the ground reporting. I hear mixed messages that the tunnel is on the "hospital compound" or was found "Under a wall" that the tunnel is under the hospital or to a pharmacy next door. I get that there is a fog of war, but the BBC and CNN and all our other normal news sources just quit covering or explaining at that point.

Israel has a history of bombing hospitals (2014): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/gaza-crisis-un... so not exactly the first time this sort of thing has gone on.

I would love for someone to COVER this, to explain what happened, what went right and what went wrong. To put all the peices in one place and paint a more accurate picture, because right now there isn't one, and I think that's indicative of this entire war.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Another possible explanation for this skew is that TikTok and IG are primarily video platforms. The videos of destruction and death in Gaza are far more horrific than corresponding videos in Israel, because the scale of what Israel is doing to Gaza is so much greater than what Gaza has done to Israel. Another way of saying it is, it makes sense that someone who spends hours on apps optimized for empathy-based addicti…

> The videos of destruction and death in Gaza are far more horrific than corresponding videos in Israel Maybe you haven't seen enough of what happened in 10/7 then. I would rather get hit by a bomb then tortured to death in the most horrific way possible.

As of right now there are likely hundreds or thousands of Palestinians trapped under the rubble of their houses slowly suffocating or dying of dehydration. A process that takes days or weeks.

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What an absolute mind-fuck. I think the greatest thing the Moscow-Teheran-Beijing "bot army diplomacy doctrine" is showing us is that you can radicalize both the US right AND the US Left at the same time by speaking to each side's idiocies at full throat. We are nearing Elders of Zion territory here where the ratio of 2 Billion Muslims to 15 Million Jews, and thus the constant stream of anti-Israeli propaganda, now c…

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> people are jumping at the opportunity to contradict you and actually adding some new data points that you're actually right.

This argument is called a double-bind.

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If you want to start counting drivers, there are at least three 1) The algorithms of the platforms 2) The disinformation / astroturfing / asymetric warfare, driven from Russia, Iran, CCP, and many other 'interested parties' 3) The actual organic opinions The drivers are in about that order of force. The point of #2 is to make it appear organic, so people can make the argument that 'it's just people's opinion', even w…

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This has zero to do with "western ruling class"

This is about authoritarians starting and driving a global war on democracy. Russia => Iran => Qatar =>Hamas. Why do you think Hamas leaders and Iranian leaders met in Moscow in mid-October? Gaza is opening a 2nd front on the Ukranian war. Putin & Russian officials have repeatedly stated that they think it is their right to rule at least the entire Soviet and Iron Curtain territory. Russian media is openly cheering the Republicans for blocking Ukraine aid.

But you can go right on believing the shrill propaganda, as if Hamas was some kind of organic protest movement (they are not, they are terrorist occupiers of Palestine). Just be sure you enjoy it when you no longer have a vote that counts after autocrats take over in your country, as they already have in Iran, Gaza, Hungary, etc.

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Right now, there is nowhere else in the world where so many civilians are being killed. Nothing else even comes close. 20k deaths in just two months is a massive death toll for such a short conflict. For comparison, it's more than the civilian death toll in the nearly 2-year-old war in Ukraine. The other thing is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been going on for decades, and many people have formed strong o…

20k deaths includes Hamas militants. So far the militant to civilian casualty ratio is actually lower than most other modern urban conflicts. Some being as high as 10 civilians for every 1 militant death.

Where does your militant data come from? And does it differentiate between fighters active before the invasion and those after?

Because large numbers of formerly peaceful men will now be engaged in the fight, either from grief at losing their families, or the natural instinct to resist an invader.

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And where do you think that comes from? Some coherent well researched culturally deep understanding of history and the current status of things by the entire population? Of course not, it’s propaganda. There are ethnic conflicts worldwide that often have more bloodshed, many occurring simultaneously right now, but this gets all the rhetoric and attention.

This explains my gripe with most of the messaging on socials (I came across at least) . You see accounts who never cared to post anything of this conflict suddenly being outraged and reposting stuff. It’s not that they should not care, but it’s a “outrage of the week” sort of thing, and as you say, often with nothing of the careful history and understanding. For sure it’s a tragedy.

The "outrage of the week" is attention going to a current event. Our attention and hours are limited so for the majority you choose what's top of mind. There are 1000s of things we should all be addressing collectively but the conflict du jour usually wins our attention.

In my country (US) we've had ~200k deaths from opioid prescriptions. It gets attention but it's really not enough when the perpetrators should be in prison for life.

None of this is a good thing but "outrage of the week" is simply attention and attention span. We're all limited.

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I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

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I'm not trying to deflect, but I do find it interesting that just 2 months ago, >100K Armenians were permanently displaced from their homes in Nagorno-Karabakh where they've lived for literally millenia, and I saw essentially no coverage of this in Western media (in contrast, it was all over Russian media, possibly because Armenia is a historical ally of Russia and a lot of Russians are frustrated that Russia and the…

You do point some interesting points. Note that the issue in not the Nakba anymore. From memory Oslo was about giving to a demilitarize Palestinian state about 10% of the Palestine mandate territory mostly in "islands" controlled by Israel, then progressively over a long period, increasing it to 22%, with quite no hope to get East Jerusalem back. And now (even before oct. 7) that seems impossible, far too much for th…

Now that I think about it, one salient distinction might be that Palestinian refugees became largely stateless after their expulsion. The Arab states didn't want them (and still don't, no matter what they say), and there was nowhere for them to go in Palestine besides the refugee camps. Most expelled ethnic refugees have a homeland willing to receive them, or at least sympathetic nations willing to give them asylum.

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Can you imagine that all it took for her to lose her job was "“Freedom for Palestine”. That's the insanity about this whole thing. The Zionists don't believe Palestine nor the Palestinians deserve a homeland while many Jews believe they do. Zionism is an incredibly powerful entity that even brought Musk to his knees. That's the real story here..... Just saying....

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