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Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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> To keep public transport running smoothly, in some places we are constructing separate lanes for public transport. Public transport is allowed to continue travelling at 50km/h on these lanes. So even more incentive to use public transportation.

Yes, WEF wants to abolish private ownership of vehicles so they can decide when and where you can go.

Lmao how do the readers of this site come to believe such obvious BS

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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That's kind of the point. Part of the design of Dutch cities is to make the fastest, most direct, most convenient form of transportation _not_ the car. You use a car when you _have_ to, not simply as a default. If it takes longer to get to your intra-city destination in a car, that's the city working as intended.

> Part of the design of Dutch cities is to make the fastest, most direct, most convenient form of transportation _not_ the car. That's only a good thing if you accomplish it by making other forms of transportation faster and more direct. It's a bad thing if you do it by making cars slower and less direct.

Why? Please elaborate.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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It can be a political statement, or it can be about noise and pedestrian safety, depending on the environment. Basically, it's irresponsible to drive faster than 30 km/h anywhere with a significant number of pedestrians. The risk of serious injury and death rises quickly above that speed, and human drivers cannot react quickly enough at higher speeds. You can justify a bit higher speed limits on major streets with si…

You missed the point. This law does not distinguish whether pedestrians are present or not.

How could it? How could the law possibly trust selfish drivers to actually judge that sort of thing adhoc and in the moment?

You sound mad. Like a frustrated child. Is it really that hard driving a bit slower?

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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The "quieter" aspect is no joke. For the first time in my life, I moved into an apartment near a busy road, the noise is very difficult and I have to wear silicone ear plugs/pillows at night just to sleep because of car noise, especially people with loud motorcycles and trucks and cars that think everyone wants to hear them at 2am. Outside of that over-the-top "flex" noise, just the car noise is fatiguing. One can sa…

The loud motorcycle crowd deserve death. I am a pacifist and believe strongly that love and kindness is the natural state of man, but people unwinding their modified bikes down residential streets are just malicious monsters who torture entire neighborhoods for their perverse pleasure. I don’t buy their “to be noticed by cars on the highway” malarkey, since they wind up their motors to earth shattering levels on city…

As a motorcyclist I hear you and wholeheartedly agree with you!

The motorcycling community has this stupid mantra "loud pipes save lives." There's only one problem: it isn't true. There is no compelling evidence backing up that claim. They then use it as an excuse to get the most obnoxiously loud pipes they can - often illegally modifying them to remove baffles so they can be even louder! I have no idea why this isn't being policed as it's easy to do.

Their bikes are so damned loud I can't even ride alongside of them. The one thing that gives me a smile is I know in 20-30 years they are going to have one helluva case of tinnitus. Yeah, payback really is a bitch!

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The loud motorcycle crowd deserve death. I am a pacifist and believe strongly that love and kindness is the natural state of man, but people unwinding their modified bikes down residential streets are just malicious monsters who torture entire neighborhoods for their perverse pleasure. I don’t buy their “to be noticed by cars on the highway” malarkey, since they wind up their motors to earth shattering levels on city…

I see your transient crowd of loud motorcycles and raise you a stationary team of suburban gas-powered leaf blowers.

Gas powered Lawn/leaf equipment - Banned in California starting 2024. Good riddance.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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I see your transient crowd of loud motorcycles and raise you a stationary team of suburban gas-powered leaf blowers.

Gas powered Lawn/leaf equipment - Banned in California starting 2024. Good riddance.

Oh really!? This would be a wonderful thing to spread across the nation (and the world)!

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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The "quieter" aspect is no joke. For the first time in my life, I moved into an apartment near a busy road, the noise is very difficult and I have to wear silicone ear plugs/pillows at night just to sleep because of car noise, especially people with loud motorcycles and trucks and cars that think everyone wants to hear them at 2am. Outside of that over-the-top "flex" noise, just the car noise is fatiguing. One can sa…

So true - there are some good video comparisons that really hit this home for me, like the Not Just Bikes video “Cities aren’t loud; Cars are loud” [1] 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8

Great video, thanks for sharing that!

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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The "quieter" aspect is no joke. For the first time in my life, I moved into an apartment near a busy road, the noise is very difficult and I have to wear silicone ear plugs/pillows at night just to sleep because of car noise, especially people with loud motorcycles and trucks and cars that think everyone wants to hear them at 2am. Outside of that over-the-top "flex" noise, just the car noise is fatiguing. One can sa…

If people didn’t live in such places then the housing crisis would be much worse. Infact where I live I think main roads/trains are a requirement to get the zoning to build the apartments! I wonder if sound proofing (the expensive high density kind) might help? Depends if you are renting or not. It might cost a few $10k but could be worth it for QOL.

Sound proofing can totally work, and I actually think all apartments in an apartment building or maybe just all dwelling structures should have an average, min and max noise level in decibels with the windows open.

It is really nice, and sometimes important to be able to get outside air into the home. Noise proofing only works (and it does work with the right windows, doors, floors, ceilings) if the windows and doors are closed. Once you open one even a crack, the noise comes pouring in like high pressure water.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

#189

The "quieter" aspect is no joke. For the first time in my life, I moved into an apartment near a busy road, the noise is very difficult and I have to wear silicone ear plugs/pillows at night just to sleep because of car noise, especially people with loud motorcycles and trucks and cars that think everyone wants to hear them at 2am. Outside of that over-the-top "flex" noise, just the car noise is fatiguing. One can sa…

Tell me you’re poor without telling me you’re poor

I actually live in one of the more expensive "luxury" apartments in the area, is has an amazing view too. This really doesn't have anything to do with being poor. There are million dollar apartments in NYC that have this same issue. Are they poor?

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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I like it mainly because this probably is limiting electric bikes more than restricting cars. It's a lil' difficult for cars to hit 50 /too often/ and I say this anecdotally but those bikes in a very 'bike friendly' city are blurring lines and only getting faster.

Electric bicycles aren't allowed to exceed 25km/h anyway, so legally only human-powered bikes can exceed the 30km/h speed limit. If the owners messed with their bikes to override the speed limiter, I doubt they'll care about the 30km/h signs. Mopeds and similar vehicles (the ones with license plates and mandatory helmets) will probably be hit the worst.

Nitpick: the assist must cut off at 25 km/h but you can pedal it faster if you are up to it. (unless it's a s-pedelec which is allowed to go 45 km/h but away from bike lanes).
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