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Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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I would be using it if it didn't insist on MongoDB. I just dont trust data I care about to it

with a CMS you have barely any writes. Not sure your fear is well grounded in reality :)

Doesn't everytime you update anything with the cms require a write? (asking purely out of ignorance to learn not to be snarky)

Not to mention everytime a user of the site updates content

Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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I would be using it if it didn't insist on MongoDB. I just dont trust data I care about to it

with a CMS you have barely any writes. Not sure your fear is well grounded in reality :)

I'm not well-versed in Mongo, but it seems like the comment was saying that he didn't trust Mongo to handle any writes. Your response seems to say that since there aren't many writes to lose, it's okay. Does that concede that Mongo will lose data? (I didn't know that about Mongo.)

Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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I would be using it if it didn't insist on MongoDB. I just dont trust data I care about to it

with a CMS you have barely any writes. Not sure your fear is well grounded in reality :)

Just an opinion - none of us will be able to push Locomotive in an enterprise setting (which is precisely where CMS makes a lot of sense) without it supporting a relational DB.

Dont get me wrong - I get the value proposition of mongo - but in this case, it is taking away a lot and not giving me anything in return.

Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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with a CMS you have barely any writes. Not sure your fear is well grounded in reality :)

I'm not well-versed in Mongo, but it seems like the comment was saying that he didn't trust Mongo to handle any writes. Your response seems to say that since there aren't many writes to lose, it's okay. Does that concede that Mongo will lose data? (I didn't know that about Mongo.)

To explain the parent comment, in a write heavy application, you would probably want to turn off transactions in Mongo in return for the performance gain.

What the comment you're responding to is saying is that when you aren't making many writes, you can afford to switch transactions on and have Mongo lock the whole database because the odds of having a read come in at the same moment are much lower than if you were making a write every second.

Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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with a CMS you have barely any writes. Not sure your fear is well grounded in reality :)

Doesn't everytime you update anything with the cms require a write? (asking purely out of ignorance to learn not to be snarky) Not to mention everytime a user of the site updates content

yeah, but that's about write every minute or so, even if you have 100 monkeys on 100 typewriters

Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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I'm not well-versed in Mongo, but it seems like the comment was saying that he didn't trust Mongo to handle any writes. Your response seems to say that since there aren't many writes to lose, it's okay. Does that concede that Mongo will lose data? (I didn't know that about Mongo.)

To explain the parent comment, in a write heavy application, you would probably want to turn off transactions in Mongo in return for the performance gain. What the comment you're responding to is saying is that when you aren't making many writes, you can afford to switch transactions on and have Mongo lock the whole database because the odds of having a read come in at the same moment are much lower than if you were…

Ahh, thanks for the explanation. This clears up something I didn't know about Mongo (next to nothing other than that the other commenters all seemed to indicate that it should not be used for writes).

Much more informative than a downvote.

Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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with a CMS you have barely any writes. Not sure your fear is well grounded in reality :)

Just an opinion - none of us will be able to push Locomotive in an enterprise setting (which is precisely where CMS makes a lot of sense) without it supporting a relational DB. Dont get me wrong - I get the value proposition of mongo - but in this case, it is taking away a lot and not giving me anything in return.

We chose the tools that worked best for us and for our clients. LocomotiveCMS is already used by startups, web agencies, and big companies to design, deploy, and update sites every day. If Mongodb becomes a limiting factor, or if someone provides an equally elegant implementation on top of a RDMS, we'll happily switch. Until then, we'll focus on building our vision of the most elegant and friendly CMS possible.

Re: LocomotiveCMS Approaches 2.0 Release

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Just an opinion - none of us will be able to push Locomotive in an enterprise setting (which is precisely where CMS makes a lot of sense) without it supporting a relational DB. Dont get me wrong - I get the value proposition of mongo - but in this case, it is taking away a lot and not giving me anything in return.

We chose the tools that worked best for us and for our clients. LocomotiveCMS is already used by startups, web agencies, and big companies to design, deploy, and update sites every day. If Mongodb becomes a limiting factor, or if someone provides an equally elegant implementation on top of a RDMS, we'll happily switch. Until then, we'll focus on building our vision of the most elegant and friendly CMS possible.

could you elaborate on "equally elegant implementation on top of a RDMS" ? Genuinely want to know what advantage did mongo give you in a CMS setting.

Were you able to design a better architecture because of Mongo/nosql or was it developer productivity ?

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