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IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by rkwz »

jimmyvanhalen wrote: post #12
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about iOS feels ahead of it's time? iOS is showing it's age in my opinion. With Contracts and Charms in Windows and Intents in Android, I feel cramped and limited every time I use iOS (where Twitter integration is "magical" and things like Instagram are necessary ). Even with ICS and it's makeover and hardware acceleration it's hard to give iOS the "magic" edge these days. That having been said, it's of course v…

> What about iOS feels ahead of it's time? -iOS doesn't crash as often as Android -iOS doesn't have nearly as many security/privacy issues/virus/spyware -iOS is not(as) fragmented like Android -iOS is faster (no lags) and not as buggy as Android -iOS developer and user support way better than Android -iOS ecosystem/app market way better than Android -iOS user interface is simpler/easier to use/more straightforward th…

WindowsPhone have all the advantage you mentioned except the apps part. And they're also more affordable.

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by rbarooah »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #15
bcrescimanno wrote: post #6

Hindsight, of course, is 20/20--but to be fair to this journalist, there were some very real reasons to think the iPhone wouldn't really succeedn (at least not in an industry shifting way). At the time, the carriers maintained almost full control over the whole ecosystem and if entrenched players like Nokia couldn't force their hand on anything, what reason did people have to believe Apple could? Moreover, the initia…

> let's not forget that it brought about a "touch-revolution." And let's not forget that when the iPhone was released it was not the first app enabled touch screen phone. I would say that Palm did just as much (if not more) for the touch revolution. It just did it in a bit more clunky way. The iPhone brought the sexy into the mix.

I wasn't aware that the palm brought any touch features that weren't in the Newton.

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by CountSessine »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #14
jimmyvanhalen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What about iOS feels ahead of it's time? -iOS doesn't crash as often as Android -iOS doesn't have nearly as many security/privacy issues/virus/spyware -iOS is not(as) fragmented like Android -iOS is faster (no lags) and not as buggy as Android -iOS developer and user support way better than Android -iOS ecosystem/app market way better than Android -iOS user interface is simpler/easier to use/more straightforward th…

None of those are facts and in my experience the anecdote goes the opposite way. My Galaxy Nexus has locked up ONCE on me ever, my iPhone breathern crash often enough that it happens weekly just from being at the bars. Fragmentation is a joke. My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue and that's also hilarious given the weeks of iPhone privacy issues (GPS, iOS5, Contacts) >-iOS is faster (no lags) and not as…

Sorry - I have to address this for posterity - I'd hate for this post to become the HN word on the Galaxy Nexus.

I have access to 2 Galaxy Nexuses - one is mine, and another is a work phone used as a sample MTP USB device. Both are the the most crazy, crash-happy computing devices I've ever had the misfortune of using. For a.while my GN was literally crashing once every 2 days. I'd pull the stupid thing out of my pocket after feeling it vibrate to discover that the case over the CPU was burning hot and OS was rebooting and showing that ugly startup animation. Online forum complaints suggest that i'm not the only obe seeibg this.

Then there's the flaky behavior. Once every week a system process on my GN will crash. This service has something to do with the radio modem because I'll turn my GN on and discover that it isn't on 3G and that ive been missing phone calls and texts for who-knows-how-long.

I cant believe that i returned an iphone 4S to buy this lemon.

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by mzuvella »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #14
jimmyvanhalen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What about iOS feels ahead of it's time? -iOS doesn't crash as often as Android -iOS doesn't have nearly as many security/privacy issues/virus/spyware -iOS is not(as) fragmented like Android -iOS is faster (no lags) and not as buggy as Android -iOS developer and user support way better than Android -iOS ecosystem/app market way better than Android -iOS user interface is simpler/easier to use/more straightforward th…

None of those are facts and in my experience the anecdote goes the opposite way. My Galaxy Nexus has locked up ONCE on me ever, my iPhone breathern crash often enough that it happens weekly just from being at the bars. Fragmentation is a joke. My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue and that's also hilarious given the weeks of iPhone privacy issues (GPS, iOS5, Contacts) >-iOS is faster (no lags) and not as…

Are you kidding me? The iOS App Store makes 10x Google Play or whatever it is called these days.

Galaxy Nexus...that crap was obsolete the day it came out...isn't there a Galaxy Nexus S 3 Super S v2 out by now?

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

mzuvella wrote: post #24
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of those are facts and in my experience the anecdote goes the opposite way. My Galaxy Nexus has locked up ONCE on me ever, my iPhone breathern crash often enough that it happens weekly just from being at the bars. Fragmentation is a joke. My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue and that's also hilarious given the weeks of iPhone privacy issues (GPS, iOS5, Contacts) >-iOS is faster (no lags) and not as…

Are you kidding me? The iOS App Store makes 10x Google Play or whatever it is called these days. Galaxy Nexus...that crap was obsolete the day it came out...isn't there a Galaxy Nexus S 3 Super S v2 out by now?

>iOS App Store makes 10x Google Play

What does that have to do with the usability of my device? In terms of the app store, I can click a button on my browser and by time I've turned the screen on on my phone, it's done downloading.

>that crap was obsolete the day it came out

What on Earth are you talking about? The Galaxy Nexus (esp since it has ICS) rolls with any of the big dogs in terms of performance (in raw numbers, let alone actual day-to-day usage)

>Galaxy Nexus S 3 Super S v2

Uh, Samsung's rumored to be announcing the S3 in the coming weeks. Like 6 months after the Nexus and a year after the SII. So a pretty typical product upgrade cycle. What's your point anyway. That doesn't make the Galaxy Nexus obsolete.

(it's fun to watch these comments flip back and forth as people come through and downvote in masse)

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

CountSessine wrote: post #23
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of those are facts and in my experience the anecdote goes the opposite way. My Galaxy Nexus has locked up ONCE on me ever, my iPhone breathern crash often enough that it happens weekly just from being at the bars. Fragmentation is a joke. My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue and that's also hilarious given the weeks of iPhone privacy issues (GPS, iOS5, Contacts) >-iOS is faster (no lags) and not as…

Sorry - I have to address this for posterity - I'd hate for this post to become the HN word on the Galaxy Nexus. I have access to 2 Galaxy Nexuses - one is mine, and another is a work phone used as a sample MTP USB device. Both are the the most crazy, crash-happy computing devices I've ever had the misfortune of using. For a.while my GN was literally crashing once every 2 days. I'd pull the stupid thing out of my poc…

I'm sorry your experience has been like this. I would argue that you did get a lemon and you should talk to VZW about getting it replaced. Both of the Nexii I had were fine (until I broke one of them :/) and the other hackers in my dorm love theirs as well. I'd recommend at the very least a system restore and then paying attention to what apps you install.

I have one that will happily restart itself and run my GPS down all damn day long. Got rid of it pretty quickly.

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by danbee »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #14
jimmyvanhalen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What about iOS feels ahead of it's time? -iOS doesn't crash as often as Android -iOS doesn't have nearly as many security/privacy issues/virus/spyware -iOS is not(as) fragmented like Android -iOS is faster (no lags) and not as buggy as Android -iOS developer and user support way better than Android -iOS ecosystem/app market way better than Android -iOS user interface is simpler/easier to use/more straightforward th…

None of those are facts and in my experience the anecdote goes the opposite way. My Galaxy Nexus has locked up ONCE on me ever, my iPhone breathern crash often enough that it happens weekly just from being at the bars. Fragmentation is a joke. My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue and that's also hilarious given the weeks of iPhone privacy issues (GPS, iOS5, Contacts) >-iOS is faster (no lags) and not as…

> My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue...

Has everyone forgotten about CarrierIQ?

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

danbee wrote: post #27
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of those are facts and in my experience the anecdote goes the opposite way. My Galaxy Nexus has locked up ONCE on me ever, my iPhone breathern crash often enough that it happens weekly just from being at the bars. Fragmentation is a joke. My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue and that's also hilarious given the weeks of iPhone privacy issues (GPS, iOS5, Contacts) >-iOS is faster (no lags) and not as…

> My phone has never, ever, ever had a privacy issue... Has everyone forgotten about CarrierIQ?

That was on a small subset of phones and was placed on by specific carriers and manufacturers. But yes, I did forget.

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by minalecs »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #15
bcrescimanno wrote: post #6

Hindsight, of course, is 20/20--but to be fair to this journalist, there were some very real reasons to think the iPhone wouldn't really succeedn (at least not in an industry shifting way). At the time, the carriers maintained almost full control over the whole ecosystem and if entrenched players like Nokia couldn't force their hand on anything, what reason did people have to believe Apple could? Moreover, the initia…

> let's not forget that it brought about a "touch-revolution." And let's not forget that when the iPhone was released it was not the first app enabled touch screen phone. I would say that Palm did just as much (if not more) for the touch revolution. It just did it in a bit more clunky way. The iPhone brought the sexy into the mix.

there were a lot of touch devices pre iphone. I owned the nokia 770 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet around 06 and sony p900 around 04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_P900. The biggest difference was the capicitive screen vs resistive screen and the requirement of a stylus for most things.

Re: IPhone Will Fail in a Late, Defensive Move (2007)

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Post by ekianjo »

minalecs wrote: post #29
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> let's not forget that it brought about a "touch-revolution." And let's not forget that when the iPhone was released it was not the first app enabled touch screen phone. I would say that Palm did just as much (if not more) for the touch revolution. It just did it in a bit more clunky way. The iPhone brought the sexy into the mix.

there were a lot of touch devices pre iphone. I owned the nokia 770 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet around 06 and sony p900 around 04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_P900 . The biggest difference was the capicitive screen vs resistive screen and the requirement of a stylus for most things.

Let's not forget a number of PocketPC touch (stylus) devices were also phone-capable. That was YEARS before the iPhone. It had "apps" too, but we simply used to called that "programs" at that time. And there was no central market/appstore or anything. Most of these devices were very open.
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