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Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by w1n5t0n99 »

SwedishExpat wrote: post #159
port515 wrote: post #137

Considering all Tesla imports come from Germany or China, I feel Sweden will be on the losing end of this.

That's not related to this issue. Sweden loses if they allow multinationals to break the Swedish Model. If Tesla decided to never sell a car to Sweden, which is within their rights, Sweden would still have won if the labour market remains in tact. Personally I am 99.9% sure that Tesla will fold eventually, the question is how much PR damage will they have created for themselves in the Nordics/EU before they fold.

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Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

0xDEF wrote: post #146

Tesla is shooting itself in the foot by not being pragmatic. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are combined the 3rd biggest market for Tesla. During some months we even edge out China temporarily becoming Tesla's 2nd biggest market. The way our unions are being portrayed by Americans is ridiculous. Even pro-union Americans are making our unions sound far more aggressive and subversive than they actually are. A "blockade" j…

> The way our unions are being portrayed by Americans is ridiculous.

Americans policymakers believe in freedom of association only when it suits them.

Its cool for Google or banks to close all your accounts without any reason, and make your life impossible.

Its wrong for all unions/workers to refuse to work with Google and make their business impossible.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by pydry »

ajross wrote: post #167
SwedishExpat wrote: post #122

This article uses the words "workers' decision" several times which sounds like individual workers are deciding to not deliver to Tesla. The truth is that a sympathy strike involves a union deciding to take industrial action against an organisation to support another unions industrial action. So these workers are legally striking against Tesla too, it's not just an ad hoc decision made by individuals. PostNord employ…

> a sympathy strike involves a union deciding to take industrial action against an organisation to support another unions industrial action Interestingly that's not quite what's happening either. The workers in question are not in a union. IF Metall is the union being supported, and merely wants to represent them (more correctly, they don't want a non-union shop operating in their market). Everyone is just nuts here.…

Aggressive American union busting tactics don't go down well in Europe. This isn't the first time this type of thing has happened.

Walmart famously crashed and burned in Germany, for example, because they treated the German unions like uppity communists.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by actionfromafar »

onethought wrote: post #173

Spotify also had a breakdown with unions and its workforce. With no where near the fall out that Tesla is getting. Surely that is a bigger deal than Tesla service centres!? Anti Elon, anti American sentiment?

Different unions.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by cardy31 »

ajross wrote: post #167
SwedishExpat wrote: post #122

This article uses the words "workers' decision" several times which sounds like individual workers are deciding to not deliver to Tesla. The truth is that a sympathy strike involves a union deciding to take industrial action against an organisation to support another unions industrial action. So these workers are legally striking against Tesla too, it's not just an ad hoc decision made by individuals. PostNord employ…

> a sympathy strike involves a union deciding to take industrial action against an organisation to support another unions industrial action Interestingly that's not quite what's happening either. The workers in question are not in a union. IF Metall is the union being supported, and merely wants to represent them (more correctly, they don't want a non-union shop operating in their market). Everyone is just nuts here.…

My understanding is that the various unions view Tesla’s actions as a threat to how labour works in Sweden. There apparently isn’t even a minimum wage in the country as everything is governed by these collective agreements. So if they let Tesla come in and not play by the rules it could open the floodgates for other large corporations to come in and do the same, slowly eroding the system.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by i67vw3 »

Tesla should crush pesky swedish unions, no matter what.

Buy ports, buy ships, buy trucks, buy electricians, buy a brand new postal service etc.

The $26 B cash on hand should be used somewhere, instead of usual executive package and share buyback.

Edit:- If my comment is not as per HN guidelines, I am willing to delete it.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by capableweb »

i67vw3 wrote: post #179

Tesla should crush pesky swedish unions, no matter what. Buy ports, buy ships, buy trucks, buy electricians, buy a brand new postal service etc. The $26 B cash on hand should be used somewhere, instead of usual executive package and share buyback. Edit:- If my comment is not as per HN guidelines, I am willing to delete it.

> The $26 B cash on hand should be used somewhere, instead of usual executive package and share buyback.

Yup, squashing worker rights for corporations everywhere sounds like a good way of spending $26B.

> Edit:- If my comment is not as per HN guidelines, I am willing to delete it.

Why don't you try to read the guidelines before posting, if you think you might be breaking some guideline?

But no, you're getting downvoted not because of breaking the rules, but because of the horrible opinion and lack of care of the common worker.

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