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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Uhh, no, not really; quite the opposite in fact. Under Eric Schmidt they were engineer-driven, during the golden era of the 2000s. Nowadays they're MBA driven, which is why they had 4 different messaging apps from different product managers.

Lack of top-down direction is what allowed that situation. Microsoft is MBA-driven and usually has a coherent product lineup, including messaging. Also, "had." Google cleaned things up. They still sometimes do stuff just cause, but it's a lot less now. I still feel like Meet using laggy VP9 (vs H.264 like everyone else) is entirely due to engineer stubbornness.

20 versions of .net is wonderful. Changing the names of features over and over again is great too. I am also pleased that windows ten is the last version of windows.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Devil's advocate. It is made of a material less dense than water. Air. It certainly isn't how I would phrase it, and I wouldn't count air as what something is made of, but... Soda pop is chocked full of air, it's part of it! And I'd say carbon dioxide is a part of the recipe, of pop. So it's a confusing world for a young LLM. (I realise it may have referenced rubber prior, but it may have meant air... again, Devil's…

When you make carbonated soda you put carbon dioxide in deliberately and use a sealed container to hold it in. When you make a rubber duck you don't put air in it deliberately and it is not sealed. Carbonated soda ceases to be carbonated when you remove the air. A rubber duck in a vacuum is still a rubber duck and it even still floats.

If the rubber duck has air inside, it is known, and intentional, for it is part of that design.

If you remove the air from the duck, and stop it so it won't refill, you have a flat rubber duck, which is useless for its design.

Much as flat pop is useless for its design.

And this nuance is even more nuance-ish than this devil's advocate post.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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> Google really hasn't launched a decent in-house product since Gmail What about Chrome? And Chromebooks?

Sorry if this was a joke and I didn't spot it. Chrome was based on WebKit which was itself based on KHTML if memory serves. Chromebooks are based on a version of that outside engine running on top of Linux which they also didn't create.

Webkit is not a browser.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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The first question I always ask myself in such cases: how much input data has a simple "I don't know" lines? This is clearly a concept (not knowing sth) that has to be learned in order to be expressed in the output.

What stops you from asking the same question multiple times, and seeing if the answers are consistent. I am sure the capital of France is always going to come out Paris, but the name of a river passing a small village might be hallucinated differently. Even better - use two different models, if they agree it's probably true. And probably the best - provide the data to the model in context, if you have a good source.…

Can’t speak for other people but I find it more time consuming to get ChatGPT to correct its mistakes than to do the work myself.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

Well, you literally had a backend

do things that don't scale

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You know those memes where AI keeps escalating a theme to more extreme levels with each request? That's what Apple keynotes feel like now. It seems like each year, they're trying to make their presentations even more essentially 'Apple.' They crossed the uncanny valley a long time ago.

"make it feel more like a hospital"

To me it feels more like a cult. Wear this kind of shoes and clothing. Make these hand gestures, talk that way. They look and sound fake, over processed and living in their own bubble detached from the rest of the world.

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> surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity What does that mean and why is it bad? Diversity in marketing is used because, well, your desired market is diverse. I don't know what it means for it to be surgically precise, though.

I imagine the commenter was calling out what they perceived to be an inauthentic yet carefully planned facade of diversity. This marketing trend rubs me the wrong way as well, because it reminds me of how I was raised and educated as a 90s kid to believe that racism was a thing of the past. That turned out to be a damaging lie. I don't mean to imply that companies should avoid displays of diversity, I just mean that…

It think it could be a seen as a good thing, it's a little chicken and egg. If you want to increase diversity at a company, one good way would be to represent diversity in your keynotes in order to make it look to a diverse base that they would be happy working there, thus increasing the diversity at the company.
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