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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by darthrupert »

hot_gril wrote: post #307
bradhe wrote: post #293

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Microsoft eating Google's lunch on documents is laughable at best. Not to mention it confuses the entire timeline of office productivity software??

Is paid MS Teams is more or less common than paid GSuite? It's hard to find stats on this. GSuite is the better product IMO, but MS has a stronger b2b reputation, and anecdotally I hear more about people using Teams.

Gsuite is clearly a lot better product than Office365. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I see many institutions make the wrong choice here.

I base about 50% of my choice of employer on what they choose in that area.

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Post by eloisius »

lmm wrote: post #469
TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #421

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> Without the ability to confabulate, he would have been unable to tell his story. You can tell a story without making up fiction. Just say you don’t know when you don’t know. Inaccurate information is worse than no information.

> You can tell a story without making up fiction. Just say you don’t know when you don’t know. The point is that humans can't in general, because we don't actually know which parts of what we "remember" are real and which parts are our brain filling in the blanks. And maybe it's the same for nonhuman intelligences too.

It’s hard even when you don’t take into consideration that you don’t know what you’ve misremembered. Try writing a memoir. You’ll realize you never actually remember what anyone says, but caveating your dialog with “and then I think they said something like” would make horrible reading.

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Post by seanhunter »

seaucre wrote: post #372
abustamam wrote: post #331

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Does anyone use paid GSuite for anything other than docs/drive/Gmail ? In all companies I've worked at, we've used GSuite exclusively for those, and used slack/discord for chat, and zoom/discord for video/meetings. I know that MS Teams is a more full-featured product suite, but even at companies that used it, we still used Zoom for meetings.

My company uses Meet. It works great! I like it more than Zoom.

Counterpoint: I take probably 3/4 of my meetings on Zoom and 1/4 on meet. So on any given day I'm probably doing at least 1 on meet. If I look back on any day at all the meetings with unaceptable audio lag or very degraded video quality? They are always all "meet". It is just hands-down worse when networks are unreliable.

In addition meet insists I click on the same about 4 or 5 different "Got it" feature popups every single call, and every call also insists on asking me if I want to use Duet AI to make my background look shit which just adds to annoyance.

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Post by theGnuMe »

lmm wrote: post #459
kdamica wrote: post #404

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Classic innovator’s dilemma!

Interesting how it seems like MS may have been right this time? They were able to milk Office for years, and despite seeming like it might, Google didn't eat their lunch.

People still email word docs around. It’s nuts. Maybe Exchange is smart enough to intercept them and say “hey use this online one instead”? At least for intra-org..

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Post by wokwokwok »

phire wrote: post #510
golol wrote: post #411

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If you build a complex Chain if Thought style Agent and then train/finetune further by reinforcement learning with this architecture then it is not a band-aid anymore, it is an integral part of the model and the weights will optimize to make use of this CoT ability.

It's been 3.5 years since GPT-3 was released, and just over a year since ChatGPT was released to the public. If it was possible to solve LLM hallucinations with simple Chain-of-Thought style agents, someone would have done that and released a product by now. The fact that nobody has released such a product, is pretty strong evidence that you can't fix hallucinations via Chain-of-Thought or Retrieval-Augmented Generat…

I agree: but I just wanted to say that there are specific subdomains where you can mitigate some of these issues.

For example, generating json.

You can explicitly follow a defined grammar to get what will always be a valid json output.

Similarly, structured output such as code can be passed to other tools such as compilers, type checkers and test suites to ensure that at a minimum the output you selected passes some minimum threshold of “isn’t total rubbish”.

For unstructured output this a much harder problem, and bluntly, it doesn’t seem like there’s any kind of meaningful solution to it.

…but the current generation of LLMs are driven by probabilistic sampling functions.

Over the probability curve you’ll always get some rubbish, but if you sample many times for structure and verifiable output you can, to a reasonable degree, mitigate the impact that hallucinations have.

Currently that’s computationally expensive, to drive the chance of error down to a useful level, but compute scales.

We may seem some quite reasonable outputs from similar architectures wrapped in validation frameworks in the future, I guess.

…for, a very specific subset of types of output.

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

I didn't even look at the demo. And not due to lack of interest in LLMs (I'm an academic working in NLP, and I have some work on LLMs).

The thing is that for all practical intents and purposes, if I can't try it, it doesn't exist. If they claim it exists, they should show it, a video or a few cherry-picked examples don't prove anything. It's easy to make a demo making even Eliza look like AGI by asking the right questions.

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Post by theGnuMe »

asylteltine wrote: post #456
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

I can tell you exactly why. It’s because they have a separate vp and org for all these different products like search, maps, etc. none of them talk to each other and they all compete for promotions. There is no one shot caller same thing with gcp. Google does not know products.

A lot of companies have this structure. You have the Doritos line, the Pepsi line for example etc… maybe you find some common synergies but it’s not unusual.

What would the ideal setup in your opinion?

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Post by ruszki »

kweingar wrote: post #4

The video itself and the video description give a disclaimer to this effect. Agreed that some will walk away with an incorrect view of how Gemini functions, though. Hopefully realtime interaction will be part of an app soon. Doesn’t seem like there would be too many technical hurdles there.

The difference between “Hey, figure out a game based on what you see right now” vs “here is a description of a game with the only too possible outcomes as examples” cannot be explained by the disclaimer.

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Post by overconfident59 »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

I agreed until the last bit. Waymo is making continuous progress and is years ahead of everyone else. Tesla is not catching up and won't beat anyone. Tesla plateaued years ago and has no clue how to improve further. Their Partial Self Driving app has never been anywhere near reliable.
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