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The fuck are you going on about? You think everyone driving is ever going to be sustainable?
Out of curiosity why wouldn't it be? Technology is improving all the time. We'll solve CO2 in the atmosphere and at the point every person on earth will want a green car.
So many comments in here using the context of US cities and missed that Amsterdam (like most big european cities) is not designed for high throughput car transportation and as a result painting that decision as making things "crazy slow" and that it "sounds terrible". I highly encourage you to go live a week in a big old european city (Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Madrid) without renting a car to understand why…
Amsterdam notably was designed for cars in the 70s afaik, but they consciously redesigned it over time. So I’m a few decades, it could be your American city.
That's 18.6 mph, slower than the speed limit around US schools. Is the expectation people will go 20 or 25 mph (32 to 40 km/h) in reality?
In the US it wouldn't make sense. Spending 2 hours to go to the grocery store and back just on the travelling part would be a big commitment whenever you needed to go.
That usually indicates your city is a huge suburbia with a few skyscrapers in the middle.
Bad city design leads to bad results, and a higher speed limit won't solve your problems.
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Electric bicycles aren't allowed to exceed 25km/h anyway, so legally only human-powered bikes can exceed the 30km/h speed limit. If the owners messed with their bikes to override the speed limiter, I doubt they'll care about the 30km/h signs. Mopeds and similar vehicles (the ones with license plates and mandatory helmets) will probably be hit the worst.
In Norway the law is stated such that you can get help from the bicycle engine to reach max 25km/h. It's not very difficult to reach 30km/h to 50km/h manually on a bicycle.
50km/h is for athletes or going down steep hills. If you're training for the tour de france in some random neighbourhood in Amsterdam, I think you're doing something wrong.
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In Norway the law is stated such that you can get help from the bicycle engine to reach max 25km/h. It's not very difficult to reach 30km/h to 50km/h manually on a bicycle.
50 is literally faster than Tour de France pros maintain on flat ground. A regular person on a normal bike will have a hard time even doing 30.
The reason I mentioned this number is because I found this article of some Norwegian middle aged woman saying she is reaching 50km/h explaining something with the speed limit of bicycles in Norway.
However she meant that she reaches that speed downhill, which makes sense..
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Amsterdam notably was designed for cars in the 70s afaik, but they consciously redesigned it over time. So I’m a few decades, it could be your American city.
I mean it was quite clearly designed for water traffic first. I wouldn't describe it as designed for cars in comparison to say Los Angeles or Kansas City.
Reduce the speed to 5 so that an estimated 99.9% of pedestrian accidents are survivable and the city is silent.
Interesting that this got flagged off the homepage. Wonder why. If you flagged this would you explain why a development like this in a world capital is off-limits?
Articles like this always cause flame wars between car haters and non car haters, and city dwellers and non city dwellers.