They already work for MS, their paycheck comes out of the $10B they gave them.
OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft
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#212... and after the latest openai episode, we now know that msft was pulling the strings in the "shadows" (the "nah! I am just supporting without doing anything..."). It is not conspiracy anything to think it is certainly happening elsewhere. And there is so much critical open source stuff on github... that said, github is at least noscript/basic (x)html friendly for its core functions.
Sadly, viewing source code no longer appears to work without JavaScript… Edit: tested in w3m
Indeed I have to git clone.
Well, it is getting worse and worse.
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ... and after the latest openai episode, we now know that msft was pulling the strings in the "shadows" (the "nah! I am just supporting without doing anything..." Do we? What evidence is there that Microsoft was "pulling the strings in the shadows"? As far as we know Microsoft only found out a minute before Sam did that he was being fired.
Well, we found out that Microsoft is able to reverse essentially any decision they feel strongly about, which is essentially what "pulling the strings" means, in common usage.
Yep, kind of obvious. And it is reasonable to think this is only the tip of the iceberg.
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm factoring in their legacy and history i.e. since they're older they're bigger
Microsoft is now 20x bigger than IBM in terms of market cap.
the only way to settle this is to sum the market cap of both companies over their entire history while adjusting all values for inflation
keep in mind that IBM[0] is over a hundred years old, and microsoft isn't even half of that [0]
[0] wikipedia
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the coup is on the part of other employees who advocated for the board to fire Altman. No judgement in whether that was justified or not.
> I think the coup is on the part of other employees who advocated for the board to fire Altman. No judgement in whether that was justified or not. The GP was pretty clear that he thought "the entire board decided to do a coup," which does not fit that interpretation. But even the scenario you describe isn't something that can be properly described as a "coup." In that case, the employees are just appealing to a legi…
I probably missed that in the GP comment.
I don't think invoking a higher power necessarily makes it not a coup. To me, a coup is when you angle to relieve someone from office above you by any means. But reasonable people can disagree on that, I suppose.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft is now 20x bigger than IBM in terms of market cap.
the only way to settle this is to sum the market cap of both companies over their entire history while adjusting all values for inflation keep in mind that IBM[0] is over a hundred years old, and microsoft isn't even half of that [0] [0] wikipedia
The only way to settle this once and for all, is an arm wrestle between Arvind Krishna and Satya Nadella.
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#217> Given the absence of interest in joining Microsoft, many OpenAI employees "felt pressured" to sign the open letter, the employee admitted. The letter itself was drafted by a group of longtime staffers who have the most clout and money at stake with years of industry standing and equity built up, as well as higher pay. They began calling other staffers late on Sunday night, urging them to sign, the employee explaine…
Anyone who supported the board was in a situation where they deemed they could afford to go against the peer pressure. This is a combination of acting according to their beliefs/values and economic security. Those people should be envied, not pitied.
Sorry I meant the people who privately supported the board but were peer pressured into signing.
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#218Billionaires care very little about where their employees want to work.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, not all companies try to exploit their strength in one area to make me use some other product that I have no interest in. I'm not talking about "hey, we have this product that you might like", I'm talking about "if you want to use this product, you must also use this product". There's also no technical reason for it, sometimes they will let me use it. Not O.K.
Name one company of any size that isn’t doing the same thing?
Valve's a great example. They have overwhelming market share and could have long since tried to tighten the screws to make a buck, and haven't done anything of the sort. They've also launched numerous 1st party systems and hardware that they could have tried to shove on people (Steamdeck, Index, controllers, etc) but, again, have done nothing of the sort.
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, what other company does it? You may say Apple & App Store but that's not the same.
Apple/iMessage/Safari Google/Android/Chrome/YouTube Meta/Messenger/Facebook/WhatsApp ...just to name a few.
You don’t need to use any of Facebook’s other platforms to use WhatsApp. I’ve not had a Facebook account for nigh on a decade but use WhatsApp as my
main messaging app.