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Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by mlinksva »

I was curious what the DRC map on https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2023/12/06065751/disas... (included in the post) could signify.

Search found (view HTML or click "More about our materials") on https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5

> In addition, we account for 100% of the cobalt used in the battery by buying cobalt credits, which support the improvement of working conditions for artisanal cobalt miners in the DRC.

Presumably that's what the map signifies. Good to know/in case anyone else was curious.

Related discussion 10 years ago, only one I could find on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5813730

Added: https://www.faircobaltalliance.org/supply-chain-wide-collabo... and presumably what the improvement mention above is about https://www.faircobaltalliance.org/approach/professionalizin... ?

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by Libcat99 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #159
singleshot_ wrote: post #147

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I have an iPhone 11 Pro. The back is made out of glass which is easily breakable. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why, because behind the glass is an opaque piece of aluminum. The glass broke on the third day I had the phone when I tossed it from knee height on to a folded up sweatshirt that was sitting on a rug on a tile floor. Oh, actually, I guess I do know why an opaque part of a thousand dollar phone is m…

You tossed it onto a tile floor, and it broke. That's unfortunate, but not entirely a surprise no matter who manufactured the phone. Glass is glass.

In the same way that your phone, in your pocket, is thrown on the ground every time you take a step, sure.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by singleshot_ »

rootusrootus wrote: post #159
singleshot_ wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an iPhone 11 Pro. The back is made out of glass which is easily breakable. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why, because behind the glass is an opaque piece of aluminum. The glass broke on the third day I had the phone when I tossed it from knee height on to a folded up sweatshirt that was sitting on a rug on a tile floor. Oh, actually, I guess I do know why an opaque part of a thousand dollar phone is m…

You tossed it onto a tile floor, and it broke. That's unfortunate, but not entirely a surprise no matter who manufactured the phone. Glass is glass.

Sir, reading comprehension. The tile floor was separated from the device at all times by a rug and a folded up hooded sweatshirt. If I tossed it on a tile floor we would not be having this conversation.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by singleshot_ »

jiminymcmoogley wrote: post #198
rootusrootus wrote: post #159

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You tossed it onto a tile floor, and it broke. That's unfortunate, but not entirely a surprise no matter who manufactured the phone. Glass is glass.

technically they tossed it onto the earth's core, which is estimated to be around 5000°C. though even if it had been a (completely uncovered, unrugged, and un-folded-up-sweatered) tile floor, i would absolutely expect most manufacturers' phones to hold up just fine at that height... to get serious for a moment though, id like to go against the anti-glass grain by pointing out that supposedly, successive generations o…

I don't think it's a "conspiracy" so much as "the first design objective" but I think I agree with every other part of your comment. (I have also added the bit about the earth's core to my standup routine; thanks).

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by Shekelphile »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #92
sgift wrote: post #24

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There's obviously a trade-off between able to open the case without having to glue it back together - which is kind of needed for good repairability - and having IP67. It don't think it's even possible tbh. If you have screws, you'll have gaps and since IP67 has to be completely dust proof (not only dust protected as IP5) and water proof for 30 minutes in 1m water it's kind of a silly ask for anything repairable.

The Samsung Galaxy S5 pulled it off. IP67 and you can take the back cover + battery out with your fingernail.

No. Mostly Samsung lied and put oleophobic coatings on all the vulnerable points that washes away from a few weeks/months of ambient humidity. Phones like that are not waterproof in the real world, and if you want a hard example of that you can just look at Samsungs folding devices (they have to use the same coating ‘cheat’ there to get any ip rating)

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by rtpg »

sneak wrote: post #173
rtpg wrote: post #170

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comparable to the iOS stuff at least. I was a bit frustrated to find out that a 2015 MBP I had in a closet has been out of support for a while (I have very high doubts that there was any technical reason for the line drawing on that front). I really appreciate the iOS support window but it's messed up that their laptops ad desktops (which can last _so long_ and be useful!) just fall out of support despite still being…

Well, the phones haven’t been through an architecture change recently, while the laptops and desktops have. I think you’ll be safe on ARM macs for 10 full years.

but the i7s are still there, and still getting updates.

I get that there's a legit question of having 2015 MBPs lying around, but honestly just having a switch to let you install it feels legit. It's not like the hardware is changing that much over the years, and they have to have the OS support a bunch of hardware configurations anyways

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by j16sdiz »

autoexec wrote: post #155
redder23 wrote: post #63

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VERY ironically just do NOT buy a fucking Google phone to un-google it. I really really like the Grahpene OS project but its a damn shame that is does only support Pixels and not Fairphones or phones that are at least privacy supporting from the manufacturers end. I think "hardware security" of Google phones sounds nice on paper but you never know if these is some NSA chip or some other exploit build in that the Grap…

> but you never know if these is some NSA chip or some other exploit build in that the Graphene OS I wouldn't be surprised if there were some backdoor in the Qualcomm chip the fairphone 5 uses or the radios in other phones. Without open hardware you really can't trust anything. Not when we know we're all being constantly spied on by the state and by the corporations who design/manufacture our hardware.

Even with "open hardware design", you still can't get that trust without "open hardware manufacturing"

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by sbierwagen »

gruez wrote: post #145
calamari4065 wrote: post #76

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If you use fast wired charging, which most phones do, you're causing significant wear to the battery. With daily fast charging, I've seen phones chew through their battery in under a year. Conversely, the rather slow charge rate of wireless helps extend battery life quite a lot. This is why I never use fast charging, avoid wired charging in general, and limit my battery to 85% max charge. It's been three or four year…

>This is why I never use fast charging, avoid wired charging in general Wireless charging isn't a silver bullet either. It generates tons of waste heat, which is also bad for batteries. I'm also not sure why you're so against wired charging, especially since you have to go out of your way and pay a premium for fast charge capable chargers. If you buy a bog standard 5W/10W charger, you're not fast charging. If you plu…

>go out of your way and pay a premium for fast charge capable chargers

If you're on the road and using your laptop's USB-C charger to charge your phone then it'll easily supply enough power for the fastest charge mode of any phone.

Re: Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?

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Post by topaz0 »

fnord123 wrote: post #115
maegul wrote: post #51

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> 1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same as a wired charger. Lots of sibling replies pointing out that the absolute energy loss is negligible and reasonable price for the convenience. That’s fine. But there’s a bigger point. This convenience is being used as a justification for sticking with big brand phones. Which maybe tips the balanc…

But sowbug has 10 dollar wireless charging pads all over his house. How can we use a cable?

Honestly might as well buy a new house at that point
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