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OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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pg talks about how Sam Altman is the most powered person he's ever met. Seems we have a super powerful psychopath running perhaps the most important company in human history. I do think he legitimately believes he's doing the right thing though all throughout, which maybe makes it more scary. Sorta like how Mark Zuckerberg seemed to truly believe in Facebook's mission and wound up having all sorts of negative externa…

>perhaps the most important company in human history.

holy shit, hype is unreal :D

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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Am an employee, signed the letter. I can't read the article so maybe the content is more nuanced, but the framing irks me. This all happened really fast and the offer was informal. I can only speak for myself but I do have a lot of respect for modern MS, and would have seriously considered the move if that's what kept the team together and comp was reasonable. I would be surprised if most people felt differently.

>> and comp was reasonable A lot of complex issues and perspectives packed into those few words...

I thought the offer from MSFT, albeit unofficial, was that anyone who made the switch kept their current salary.

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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pg talks about how Sam Altman is the most powered person he's ever met. Seems we have a super powerful psychopath running perhaps the most important company in human history. I do think he legitimately believes he's doing the right thing though all throughout, which maybe makes it more scary. Sorta like how Mark Zuckerberg seemed to truly believe in Facebook's mission and wound up having all sorts of negative externa…

> I do think he legitimately believes he's doing the right thing though all throughout, which maybe makes it more scary

I really think the opposite. I think he's after the biggest payday/most power he can get, and anything else is a secondary consideration.

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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Is it actually news that 70% (or whatever) of the employees at a hot startup wouldn't go to work for Microsoft even if they kept their compensation packages (which would probably have a lot of asterisks attached) because of executive suite drama?

It's "business insider". Don't underestimate how poorly management understands "technical resources". I can certainly see lots of leadership just assuming that pay is the only relevant variable and ignore culture entirely during an acquihire, assuming people are fine doing whatever as long as they're paid.

Even from a compensation point of view, they presumably have a better chance for a big exit of some kind at a startup vs as a Microsoft employee.

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot to be said about Altman, but calling him a “psychopath” is just wrong. It’s a legitimate medical term and should not be used for hyperbole

Look up Annie Altman.

Are you saying this because of the diddling accusations or for some other reason?

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> and comp was reasonable A lot of complex issues and perspectives packed into those few words...

I thought the offer from MSFT, albeit unofficial, was that anyone who made the switch kept their current salary.

A big part of the comp is in equity, and since OpenAI has an uncommon equity structure it is unclear how that would translate to Microsoft stock.

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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>> and comp was reasonable A lot of complex issues and perspectives packed into those few words...

I thought the offer from MSFT, albeit unofficial, was that anyone who made the switch kept their current salary.

i would guess a lot of OpenAI employees are sitting on some pretty valuable stock/options if the company doesn't implode

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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I am still so confused by this whole saga. No one has explained how or why the entire board decided to do a coup, and then simply changed their minds a few days later. I have to assume that the individuals involved are under a mix of social and legal pressure to not talk about the circumstances.

This recent TIME article lays out the saga pretty straightforwardly and makes it a bit less confusing.

https://time.com/6342827/ceo-of-the-year-2023-sam-altman/

At least, that was how I felt after reading it.

Basically, within the span of a year, OpenAI transformed from a research lab inside a non-profit that was pursuing a seemingly-Quixiotic dream of artificial general intelligence (AGI)... into one of the fastest-growing for-profit software companies of all time via its creation of the chat-based generative AI category (aka ChatGPT) and its consumer/enterprise SaaS and API offerings.

The board -- or, at least, its 4 remaining non-CEO members -- thought that this was too much, too fast, and too soon, and that there was a narrow window of time where they could slow things down and refocus on the original non-profit mission. They also felt that Altman was a bit of a force of nature, had his own ideas about where OpenAI was going, and treated "board management" as one of his CEO skills to route around obstacles.

Once a board loses trust of their CEO, unfortunately, there is usually only one blunt and powerful tool left: firing the CEO.

And this happens pretty often. As the investor Jerry Neumann once put it, "Your board of directors is probably going to fire you."[1] Boards have very few ways to actually take action when they are worried about a company or institution; firing management is one of the few "course correction" actions they can take quickly.

In OpenAI's case, if they had a for-profit board, that board would probably have been ecstatic with Altman and the company's progress. But this was not a for-profit board. It was a non-profit (mission-oriented) board meant to oversee the safe rollout of AGI. Those board members weren't sure the best way to do that was to become one of the world's largest for-profit software companies.

I'd speculate that it was probably an emotional decision and the full implications were not entirely thought through until it was too late. I'd also speculate that this explains why Ilya Sutskever felt some immediate regret, because his goal wasn't to destroy OpenAI (or inspire an employee revolt) but to put its non-profit mission back into focus. I like to practice the principle of charity[2], and, in this case, I think the non-profit board was not acting maliciously but simply did not realize the knock-on effects of trying to replace a CEO when everything at the company seems to be "going right."

I suspect Altman thought the best way to roll out AI was via iterative product development and fast revenue growth to finance the GPU demands, utilizing corporate partnerships (Microsoft), viral word-of-mouth marketing, and SaaS/API fees (ChatGPT). Running out of data center compute started to become a primary concern, so it wouldn't surprise me if safety took a backseat to this. Remember, all this growth happened in the span of a year. Perhaps Altman thought he was satisfying the safety concerns simply by talking to regulators, making iterative releases, and going on a speaking tour about it, but the board thought the only way to go safely was to go slower. I'm sure we'll learn more after some books are written about the episode.

[1]: https://reactionwheel.net/2021/11/your-boards-of-directors-i...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

Re: OpenAI employees did not want to go work for Microsoft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> and comp was reasonable A lot of complex issues and perspectives packed into those few words...

I thought the offer from MSFT, albeit unofficial, was that anyone who made the switch kept their current salary.

What about the non-salary part of comp?

For most employees, their OpenAI stock would have been worth even more than their salary at its current valuation, and it has the potential to potentially be worth quite a bit more in the future.

Replacing it with Microsoft stock would have made it a sure thing - but also with much less growth potential.

I'd be really curious to hear if Microsoft actually got so far as to figure out what to offer OpenAI employees in terms of an equity offer.

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