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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by BobaFloutist »

renewiltord wrote: post #255
BobaFloutist wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't legally drive without car insurance, and insurance companies can just decide not to do business with me. I can't get the service of TSA Pre without going through a private corporation that can easily decline to do business with me. Our national parks are largely run by (private) concessionaires. While I've never been banned from a national park, I bet I could be de facto banned from, say, Yosemite by pissing…

Right, but the state does not mandate you receive insurance from a single company. You could, should you do desire, set up your own insurance company. There are open regulations that can be obeyed by anyone. TSA Precheck is administered by the TSA AFAIK, which is a DHS agency, not a private corporation. It's been a while since I signed up but IIRC it's run by the government. I actually believe that if Aramark (I assu…

TSA precheck is run by private corporations - the TSA are of course the people that operate the actual airport, but the corporations are the people you sign up with that assess you.

Aramark (you're right, my mistake) couldn't ban you from the park, but they could definitely ban you from their campgrounds. So you could drive into the park, but you wouldn't be able to camp in most of it (except for backcountry).

I'll grant you the competitive marketplace for insurance, though I'm not sure it fully eliminates that point.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by carlosjobim »

lawn wrote: post #267
carlosjobim wrote: post #239

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I know for a matter of fact that it is the case in Sweden with some employers. They'll sign you up for the union without your consent and without informing you. Then the union in their turn will sign you up with insurance companies and other third parties without consent of information. Just a bill suddenly arriving in your mail that you have to pay.

Never heard of that and that's not legal.

It's perfectly legal, and you can find information about it on the websites of the unions.

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Post by mattlutze »

logifail wrote: post #192
vodou wrote: post #57

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Most of this goes back to the "Saltsjöbaden Agreement", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltsj%C3%B6baden_Agreement . To quote myself from the other day: "Basically, the government has left to the industry and unions to agree on a lot of stuff that is decided by law in other countries. E.g. Sweden does not have a minimum wage. This system has led to much fewer costly conflicts and strikes compared to many other countri…

> has left to the industry and unions to agree on a lot of stuff (From the outside) it seems hard to understand why something should be effectively be mandatory without being officially mandatory. If collective agreements are to be mandatory, the government should just pass a law making them mandatory, then that's done. Hiding behind the claim "it's up to each employer and their employees" to decide is just silly.

Counterpoint: if something pretty much works without a law being in place, why write a law?

Laws are never perfect, and writing one just for the sake of it both makes complying with the law more complex and opens opportunities for people with money to create legal moats around interpretations and case law precedence.

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Post by s0l1dsnak3123 »

Configure0251 wrote: post #177
vineyardmike wrote: post #162

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You keep saying “maybe”. Tesla is the problem. It’s a good idea to not destroy your market and the means to facilitate. More workers rights are needed by the rest of the world. Own your opinions, maybe.

I have a strong suspicion that OP is using 'maybe' as a rhetorical device in this case, and is not actually hedging their statements.

Your suspicion is correct. Perhaps :D

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Post by throwawa14223 »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #305
throwawa14223 wrote: post #296

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I believe I should follow my word. Striking violates my principles.

Would it be ok if you were upfront about the possibility of striking? That seems like a very achievable adaptation.

I think that would be acceptable to me assuming I had assurances I wouldn't be asked to participate or be represented by union actions that would be violent. No threats, no breaking things, no vandalism, etc.

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Post by morelisp »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #235
Hikikomori wrote: post #55

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They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike. And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

> And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees. I don't think you understand how a private company works. You can't say it is a private company owned by the state - if that is the case, it is a public government agency, no matter how you want it not to be. So in short, a government…

SOEs are extremely common even in the US.

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Post by mattlutze »

adolph wrote: post #308

Question: Is the issue worker wages and benefits or is the issue not engaging with the union? From the article: IF Metall workers in Sweden – where Tesla doesn't manufacture vehicles but has a number of repair and service shops – have been on strike since October after what they described as years of Tesla refusing to bargain with the union. IF Metall-represented employees claim Tesla hasn't guaranteed them good wage…

I think these are saying the same thing (and software translators often get things slightly different than original intent).

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Post by manuelabeledo »

wyager wrote: post #261
manuelabeledo wrote: post #242

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> Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far. The government isn't doing this, workers are. Wouldn't it be more problematic if the government stepped in and forced the hand against their workers, and in favour of a private company like Tesla?

No, it's not a problem when government employees are required to do their job.

These workers have rights, among them the right to strike.

Why would the government purposely try to restrict their rights, to appeal to a foreign company?

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Post by oh_sigh »

s0l1dsnak3123 wrote: post #121

Maybe - just maybe - Tesla should just give in instead of destroying their brand in the Nordics, which is what they are doing. The workers are in charge, and they are also the ones buying Teslas (Yes Americans, in Sweden/Denmark/Norway Teslas are affordable enough for normal people who are in unions because they are paid correctly). Maybe it's a good idea not to destroy your entire market while also destroying the me…

The median take-home pay per worker is higher in the US than in Sweden, and Teslas are more expensive in Sweden than the US.

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Post by othorns »

mxsjoberg wrote: post #175
s0l1dsnak3123 wrote: post #121

Maybe - just maybe - Tesla should just give in instead of destroying their brand in the Nordics, which is what they are doing. The workers are in charge, and they are also the ones buying Teslas (Yes Americans, in Sweden/Denmark/Norway Teslas are affordable enough for normal people who are in unions because they are paid correctly). Maybe it's a good idea not to destroy your entire market while also destroying the me…

> Maybe Tesla is the problem here. No, this is an issue for other smaller companies too (with less media coverage) > Maybe the rest of the world needs to catch up to the societal norms of Sweden when it comes to worker's rights. I hope not. I kind of want a flying car ASAP. Not never.

Sweden is consistently ranking very highly for innovation...
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