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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

I hope Elon gets the license plates delivered by courier, which really cannot be that expensive. Then the unions have to figure out their next steps. Get your popcorn

Couriers can do absolutely the same)))

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Fully owned by the state, not the government.

These terms usually mean the same thing. Do you want to explain the difference you're trying to highlight?

In amareicanese the government is called the administration.

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Sorry everyone- forget about the union. This guy on HN wants a flying car, and we’ll never have that as long as unions exist.

> we’ll never have that as long as unions exist This might still be true tho. We'll see.

Going by Peter Thiel’s quote, Twitter is impeding the creation of a flying car, meaning Musk is also currently at fault.

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> I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government In Sweden the unions own the government. Nordic countries can not be compared to modern republics such as the USA. There is little separation of powers.

The unions don't own the goverment. Or do you also belive that the nordics is full of socialists? And I'd much rather be a modern nordic country as compared to the USA where democracy is constantly threatened and bribing politicians is perfectly legal as long as you call it lobbying, the name a few modern examples

> Or do you also belive that the nordics is full of socialists?

Well, yes. Although the world is a lot more complicated than left vs right, the socialist parties have generally been the largest parties in Nordic countries, and the "conservative" parties do not rock the boat too much when they're in power. Because the voters wouldn't accept that.

> compared to the USA

It's a matter of taste and of values, but directly comparing these very different societies doesn't work well.

The unions "own" the government in the extent that they where tightly connected to the Socialist Democratic party that ruled Sweden for decades and are responsible for much of today's legislation. If you were a member of a union, they would on your behalf sign you up as a member of the Socialist Democratic party, until 1991.

So the unions are intertwined with the government in Nordic countries to an extent that is very unfamiliar to peopler from some other countries.

Another example is the government church in all the nordic countries, which is not much talked about, but indeed strange to people from other backgrounds.

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Is your moral objection that you're opposed to improved material conditions?

I believe I should follow my word. Striking violates my principles.

Would it be ok if you were upfront about the possibility of striking? That seems like a very achievable adaptation.

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> don't understand how one entity can have this much power...choice is to leave the country or agree to the demands of the postal service...eventually the post office will realize how much power they weild and use it for some other gain It's fairly constrained. They have leverage because the law gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates. If they abuse that narrow power, it's trivial to take it away witho…

> The only reason they have leverage is the law that gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates Is that a law or an exclusive contract between the government and PostNord, given after bidding and a tender process as they call it in Europe and Asian countries? I think it's a contract, and contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes. Since the Transport Agency is required by law to pr…

Lots of guessing here.

There is an exclusive contract between the Swedish state and the postal company. There is also a contract that forbids the plate manufacturer from sending plates by any other means than post.

Transportstyrelsen does not agree that the current strike counts as a force majeure. This is (essentially) what the court case is about. Lower court agreed with you and allowed them to pick up plates themselves but the appeal court repelled that decision earlier today.

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…according to you:) This is a so called sympathy strike: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action

The only example of this exact thing in there is...the exact thing against Tesla we're talking about. Everything else is striking against a related company to one's employer's company.

Well, its wikipedia. Im not sure what you are arguing against. Sympathy strikes are guaranteed by the Swedish constitution.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Question: Is the issue worker wages and benefits or is the issue not engaging with the union?

From the article:

IF Metall workers in Sweden – where Tesla doesn't manufacture vehicles but has a number of repair and service shops – have been on strike since October after what they described as years of Tesla refusing to bargain with the union. IF Metall-represented employees claim Tesla hasn't guaranteed them good wages, a pension or insurance.

From a translation of the IF Metall website:

The employees at Tesla deserve nice and safe working conditions, just like everyone else in the Swedish labor market. IF Metall has therefore negotiated with Tesla for a long time. Unfortunately, they have declined to sign collective agreements and thus violate basic principles in the Swedish labor market. Therefore, IF Metall has been striking since October 27 at Tesla's Swedish service points and workshops.

https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/

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> "In the light of the conflict now spreading to Denmark as well as Tesla's recent very categorical refusal to enter a labour union agreement in any country, we have come to the conclusion that we as investors at present hardly can influence the company," the pension fund said in an emailed statement. ... That is why we're now putting Tesla on our exclusion list, ..." PensionDanmark, one of Denmark's largest pension…

Anyone know of an ETF that buys stocks excluded by activist funds?

Most of them? Agendas are diverse, any company that grows enough is likely to have pissed of at least one group somewhere.

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It’s a legally required body for many companies. It’s being imposed by law. Same as required unions would be.

I've never been forced to become a member of a corporate board. This proposal however is that I be required to join a union. That is the material difference.

True. You’re merely forced to be subject to their decisions, made on behalf of and in the interest of people who aren’t you.

[edit] I’m getting the sense that if we just restructure this so the union exists and does normal union stuff but you don’t have to “be a member” (but do have to abide by its decisions or else leave, as with a board) you’d be ok with it? Like it’s mainly a semantic problem?

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