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Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

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Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

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It would be great to have 48VDC in homes, for lightning, light appliances, etc. to centralize the whole power factor control in a single big power supply instead of doing it (poorly, or not at all) at every LED bulb.

It'll happen in RV's first, for obvious reasons. I imagine they'll use USB-C as the standard connector even though it's not the optimal form factor for this usage due to its ubiquity. POE would be a better choice.

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

#42
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. 48V (actually -48V) has been used across telco central offices for decades.

How exactly do you define a negative voltage unless you are using some other voltage as a reference?

Ground positive terminal of battery string instead of grounding negative terminal.

I see this more often on European stuff

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

#43

Why would a car need a 48V system for accessories? In general the things a car's 12V system powers have gotten less power hungry over time (LED's, heat pump) and in particular, an EV loses the highest power electrical device on the 12V bus, the starter. The typical equipment used for the entertainment and control systems are going to be much more available with 12V supplies, just because that's the industry standard.…

What many people underestimate is all the comfort stuff we have and use in modern vehicles. Most of the utilizes some sort of electric drive. Any electric drive requires power: * Power sliding windows * Power seats * Electric trunk * Power sliding roof * Electric mirrors

Also other stuff: * heated back window * heated front window * heated seats * heated steering wheel

Also the lights, even when they are LED they still draw a lot of power: * front lights, * back lights. * surrounding lights * comfort lights

That is just of few devices. Just look into all the comfort in a modern (luxury) vehicle.

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

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Golf carts have used mainly 48V for traction for a long time. And there are now great options for 48V LFP batteries for them. So far that usually means also running a 12V converter to power accessories. If the automotive world finally gets their act together on 48V this will be great for all kinds of DIY uses. The batteries and chargers are already here. There are a bunch of off grid and mobility applications that should be made simpler by this. Hopefully the automotive supply chain moves meaningfully around this.

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

#45
post #29

It would be great to have 48VDC in homes, for lightning, light appliances, etc. to centralize the whole power factor control in a single big power supply instead of doing it (poorly, or not at all) at every LED bulb.

Replace all power outlets with Ethernet and have everything run over 48V PoE and get network connectivity too

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

#46
I've been waiting for higher automotive voltage for a long time. Way back I wished for 48V as it's double the 24V standard used in European and off highway trucks as well as industrial automation and -48V is used in telecom. Wires can now carry 4x power. But from memory there was a 50V safe limit that would complicate things as the 48V charging voltage exceeds 50V as does the nominal cell voltage. So instead the industry selected 36V and planned to migrate but it never happened. The reason being LED lighting and small more efficient electronics reduced the need for higher voltages.

With EV's there's no reason to keep 12 V.

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

#47
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We humans are all terrible on some level (except my mom, she was a saint), but if you have enormous power, you can help or hurt a lot of people based on your actions. Musk has a lot of power. He must be a terribly lonely person, not knowing if he can trust anyone or they just want something from him.

Nobody knows if they can trust anyone, not just rich people.

Right, but it's a lot easier when you don't have anything someone else might want, much less a billion or more things.

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

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Why would a car need a 48V system for accessories? In general the things a car's 12V system powers have gotten less power hungry over time (LED's, heat pump) and in particular, an EV loses the highest power electrical device on the 12V bus, the starter. The typical equipment used for the entertainment and control systems are going to be much more available with 12V supplies, just because that's the industry standard.…

> Why would a car need a 48V system for accessories? In general the things a car's 12V system powers have gotten less power hungry over time

It’s not primarily about delivering more power, is it? I thought the point of higher voltage is that for a given power the wires can be smaller.

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

#49
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. 48V (actually -48V) has been used across telco central offices for decades.

How exactly do you define a negative voltage unless you are using some other voltage as a reference?

Generally with respect to ground. There are many good reasons to connect your power system to ground and so this is commonly done. (there are pros and cons to connecting to ground, but it gets complex fast)

Re: Tesla shares 48V architecture with other automakers

#50
post #11

48Vdc is supposedly the highest voltage that is still considered safe. ( https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/267789/how-s... ) It certainly sounds like a smart move on the copper savings alone.

Extra low voltage is 50v ac or 100v dv. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra-low_voltage For some reason people assume it's 48v DC or 50v dc. But it's double that. That said, I feel significantly more scared dealing with 100v DC than I do 48 or 24v.

That's for IEC. Under OSHA it's 50 volts, AC or DC.
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