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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ghaff » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:21 PM UTC

zxt_tzx wrote: post #71

dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

I think it's interesting to contrast this with music. Music is dominated by a few big labels, which makes it very easy for each provider (Spotify, Apple Music etc.) to provide a complete catalogue and thus convenience. (Though this does mean Spotify's unit economics are much worse, partially explaining the foray into podcasts and recent layoffs etc.) Furthermore, whereas we hardly rewatch the same movies, we constant…

I subscribe to Apple Music but, honestly, if music streaming services went away tomorrow I'd be pretty happy with my own library which is mostly music I bought on physical media at some point or other. (Yes, some is from Napster but mostly replacing songs on old vinyl albums.)

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ghaff » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:21 PM UTC

DeathArrow wrote: post #89

dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

>That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. I have to subscribe to a service where maybe only a tv show interests me and the rest is junk. Subscribe to another service for another tv show, and so on. That is not convenient. Give me a website where I can pick from all online available media I can only watch and pay what I want.

You can do that in many (though not all) cases on Amazon and Apple if you pay a la carte.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by orwin » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #101

orwin wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This meme is backed by US government data https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-27... """ Highlights: - Real median household income was $74,580 in 2022, a 2.3 percent decline from the 2021 estimate of $76,330 (Figure 1 and Table A-1). - Householders under the age of 65 experienced a decline in median household income of 1.4 percent from 2021, while householders aged 65 and over did not experience…

2021-22 is cherry-picked to land dead center in the middle of the inflation burst. Check the FRED charts I posted elsewhere in this thread and look to numbers before covid. They literally say the opposite.

It's inflation adjusted.

On the income graph you shared, the same decline was present (but it stopped in 2022 too, which is the last data we have, so 'cherry-picked'). Also nothing about the gini coefficient.

Also, if wages are a shrinking percentage of income, that mean rent will slowly bring more money home than work, which is terrible news.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by willsmith72 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

It's true for sports for me.

F1, sure I'll pay for great service every weekend and historical race replays.

NBA, no way am I paying more to get some of the games I want to watch most blacked out (not to mention the insane amount of ads).

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by Moldoteck » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

midasuni wrote: post #110

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I'd stop paying for Netflix well before I'd stop paying for Spotify because Spotify has much closer to the "everything"of that particular form of entertainment than Netflix does, and new albums and songs are relatively instantly available on the service. For whatever reason, the ability to arrange music licensing to allow for an aggregator of everything is much easier than for movie and TV show licensing.

The problem I have with Spotify is the money I pay doesn’t go to the artists I potentially to. If I pay £15 a month and listen to 15 different artists 50 times each I would expect each artist to get £1 minus costs, so say 50p. But they don’t, they instead get a fraction of that.

there are other apps that are more fair than spotify but less convenient

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by supernikita » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

Streaming as copyright violation ????

I have not followed up on recent legal developments, but as far as I remember: streaming is no COPYright violation since you do not create a copy.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by HideousKojima » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:23 PM UTC

Moldoteck wrote: post #109

justaman wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. Completely impossible. Think of how much bandwidth is used for HD streaming of twitch, netflix, ABC-XYZ +, and social media. Piracy making up even 5% of global bandwidth usage is being overly generous.

are you sure downloading of cop material is illegal? In a lot of countries it is permitted as long as you do not distribute that content further

And even in the US merely downloading is usually only a civil and not a criminal offense

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by Freak_NL » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:23 PM UTC

bluefirebrand wrote: post #66

leetrout wrote: post #6

> Digital video piracy is costing the US economy between $29.2 and $71 billion each year. ... > This number surely affects the US economy in terms of lost movie industry revenue as well as lost jobs and tax revenue. So no facts to back this up that I saw. Some amount of piracy is uncountable because the user never would have bought the media anyway.

Yeah, these numbers are always very dishonest. There's no accounting for * People who were never planning to buy, including people who just plain could not afford to buy if they wanted to. * People who bought after pirating * People who pirated something that was not available anywhere to purchase in their region It's basically impossible to account for all of these different reasons, but arguably none of those were…

* People who just hoard media.

There are many people who will download anything within a given set of parameters and only ever watch a fraction of it. It's a form of local digital library building.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by JakeStone » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:23 PM UTC

No verifiable sources cited, just large amounts of scary percentages.

If everybody is pirating, then everything will go away. We've heard this since cassette tapes, video tapes, decss, torrents, and we'll continue hearing it with new tech.

I say to the streaming companies and the content creators, stop bluffing. Shut it down since pirates are apparently chatting you billions.

Cash in your options, go to your private island retreat and never darken our door again. I have physical books, and walks are usually nice.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by libertine » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

ptrrrrrrppr wrote: post #8

It's always funny for me how the lost profits they calculate are inflated as hell. Here for example, they state that the US economy lost 29B$ due to piracy. In majority of the cases people who downloaded some of these shows/music would never buy all of these at full price. I personally subscribe to 3-5 streaming services and still if I'm looking for something classic (e.g. 1995 Heat) it always turns out to be either…

> It's always funny for me how the lost profits they calculate are inflated as hell.

It's also funny they don't account for the free distribution, reach, branding, and market penetration that Piracy gives them.

We've had the release of the GTA VI trailer a few days ago and it reminded me of how me and my friends became truly fans of the series with GTA Vice City.

We were kids and couldn't afford it so we had to play it in some other way - plus with the modding scene bringing Multi Theft Auto (MTA) we could play GTA Vice City online with friends.

If it wasn't for that there are plenty of people who wouldn't have helped make the franchise into what it became. They got fans for free, who wouldn't be able to play the game either way, thanks to mass distribution. Those folks ended up becoming paying customers into the franchise later down the line.