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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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There are instead life destroying penalties being handed out to whistleblowers. What a world we live in.

The good thing is we live in a democracy - if we don't like it, we can fix it at the voting booth.

Well a republic or was an oligarchy now, yeah just words and semantics...

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Your sense of smell is subjective, and not a good reason for legislation. You do know that, right? I'm not detecting any humour markers...

> Your sense of smell is subjective, and not a good reason for legislation. Wish it stopped at just the smell. Second hand weed is harmful. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-w...

Being able to smell from the outside that someone is smoking inside their home is not "second hand smoking". You'd need to be in the same room as them to get the necessary level of exposure.

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The good thing is we live in a democracy - if we don't like it, we can fix it at the voting booth.

No you can't. You only get to vote for the candidates on the ballot. And they'll get corrupted within a term, usually.

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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We implemented APNS encryption for Firefox iOS without much trouble. Keys are negotiated out of band and message decryption is done in a Notification extension that allows you to pre process incoming notifications. Did not need any special entitlements. Source code on GitHub.com/mozilla-mobile

Maybe their keys are safer than yours? Not saying you are obviously compromised, but the simplest explanation after this news is that maybe they relay the authorization to NSA et al, and they OK'ed your case and not theirs for some reason...

The simplest explanation is that reviewer A was responsible for Home Assistant Companion's request and reviewer B was responsible for Firefox's request, and they judged the request differently. Or that implementation details made the two cases different. Or that the company policy changed over time between the two requests. "Apple can break Firefox's encryption so they happily allowed it" is certainly not the simplest explanation.

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There are instead life destroying penalties being handed out to whistleblowers. What a world we live in.

The good thing is we live in a democracy - if we don't like it, we can fix it at the voting booth.

Gerrymandering, campaign finance, first past the post, and the electoral college have all ensured that my votes account for precisely fuck-all.

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> Your sense of smell is subjective, and not a good reason for legislation. Wish it stopped at just the smell. Second hand weed is harmful. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-w...

Being able to smell from the outside that someone is smoking inside their home is not "second hand smoking". You'd need to be in the same room as them to get the necessary level of exposure.

False. That perfectly fits the definition of second hand smoking.

https://www.lung.org/policy-advocacy/tobacco/smokefree-envir...

https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-can-i-do-abo...

https://no-smoke.org/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-fact-sheet/

Second hand

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Maybe their keys are safer than yours? Not saying you are obviously compromised, but the simplest explanation after this news is that maybe they relay the authorization to NSA et al, and they OK'ed your case and not theirs for some reason...

The simplest explanation is not that Apple is colluding with multiple national government's intelligence agencies which all specifically agreed to a conspiracy against Firefox's mobile browser notifications.

You clearly do not work on the field. There's an industry for that. It's not uncommon as you think.

Consulted for a company who implemented access logs for law enforcement to telephone records. A friend works at ring just fetching data from the DB for the legal team after they receives pro forma requests.

And those are the regular cases since the 80s. with judges from regular courts. If there's a law those companies must follow they will implement the same systems as they had for other laws. Only that these new ones prevent them from discussing. That's the only difference. the rest is banal day to day from legal and the industry that exist to sell compliance services to them.

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wow. Yahoo have a better track record than google or apple on figthing against that https://money.cnn.com/2014/09/11/technology/security/yahoo-f... I guess now the yahoo phone doesn't sound like that bad of a joke https://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/nokia_y...

https://www.wbur.org/npr/190723995/google-asks-permission-to... https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-security-google/update-2...

but yahoo legal team is the only one who did publish (though heavily redacted) documents after they won.

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Being able to smell from the outside that someone is smoking inside their home is not "second hand smoking". You'd need to be in the same room as them to get the necessary level of exposure.

False. That perfectly fits the definition of second hand smoking. https://www.lung.org/policy-advocacy/tobacco/smokefree-envir... https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-can-i-do-abo... https://no-smoke.org/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-fact-sheet/ Second hand

When did the goalposts move from 'smelling cannabis in the air should be banned' to 'prolonged second hand smoke in the same room at cannabis dispensary levels has an effect on your blood vessels if you're a mouse'?

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As mentioned, there are already laws around smoking in public. OP is complaining that he might get a whiff coming from his neighbors house.

I recently visited Manhattan and walked many miles touring it. The smell was in many places, with people smoking out in public. It is offensive and rude.

> It is offensive and rude.

If you take one of the world's most popular pastimes that personally, and want it legislated against on that basis, I have no time for your arguments.

Like - Manhattan. Yeah, you're gonna smell cannabis in Manhattan. It doesn't matter the tiniest bit what the laws are; you're gonna smell it. It's not something to take as a personal insult, and it's wild you insist that it is.

Anyway, weren't we talking about a serious issue? Like, is this why Americans are ok with all the domestic spying - they're too worried about sniffing a reefer on the wind? Ugh.

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