Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade • Hacker News Board

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by hinkley » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:41 AM UTC

eddtries wrote: post #240

WJW wrote: post #206

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I guess Tesla has to hope Danish/Swedish customs employees are ambivalent too then. You'd need a lot of trucks to replace a single car transporting ship btw, so even if Tesla manages to work around the strike that way it might be costly.

Which won't matter because they can't get license plates at the moment

The grey market exists because people with means have ways to solve problems that are not meant to be solved. I don't know if owning a high end Tesla puts you into that crowd, but you're certainly in the right order of magnitude.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by tptacek » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 2:41 AM UTC

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #232

eddtries wrote: post #172

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People don't really choose to work, we work because we need to afford food and get health care and rent housing etc. If you live in a town where the job you can get is at Amazon then you don't really "voluntarily" work there, and considering it's pretty simple stuff that hires anyone this is probably the case.

You are always free to pack up your things and move to another place with better conditions. I would say it is worse for people in Chicago that work in the big slaughterhouses and even though they can pursue other opportunities, they still choose to work there. Using the "small town, no options" narrative doesn't really hold water.

There haven't been slaughterhouses in Chicago for over 50 years.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by AlexandrB » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 4:47 AM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #93

AlexandrB wrote: post #72

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You're trying to find a rational reason for impulsive behavior. There is no "why". He thought the anti-semitic meme was funny/right without thinking too much about it. Then he got mad at advertisers for, as he thought, trying to rein him in. If you want proof that Elon isn't too concerned about making good products, try using Twitter/X without being logged in. The experience is significantly worse than before the tak…

> You're trying to find a rational reason for impulsive behavior. There is no "why". He thought the anti-semitic meme was funny/right without thinking too much about it. If you cared to watch the the interview I linked to above with Andrew Ross Sorkin at the NYT Dealbook summmit, you will hear three things: a) remorse for the dumb thing he said (he says it is probably the worst mistake he has made) b) when you say a…

> a) remorse for the dumb thing he said (he says it is probably the worst mistake he has made)

This is the same interview where he told the advertisers he needs for revenue to go fuck themselves. I don't think the remorse is genuine.

> Yes, when people try to limit what you say (beyond the law) then it is natural to be upset about it.

I also feel that Disney is limiting what I say by not giving me millions in ad revenue. That's just the reality I have to live with though.

Most people have all kinds of practical limitations on what they can say. I can't tell my boss to go fuck himself and still put food on the table. Joe Biden can't tell the American public to go fuck themselves and still get elected. I'm not sure why Elon feels entitled to be uniquely free from consequences for his utterances.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by waihtis » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 5:38 AM UTC

avgcorrection wrote: post #305

waihtis wrote: post #266

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> they can design the said framework themselves Congratulations, you have just invented entrepreneurship

Congratulations, you have no idea what worker-owned+governed businesses are.

Ah, the preferred company structure of all economic juggernauts, such as Venezuela.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by waihtis » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 5:46 AM UTC

bmicraft wrote: post #283

waihtis wrote: post #266

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> they can design the said framework themselves Congratulations, you have just invented entrepreneurship

_Collective entrepreneurship_. There is a difference.

No, just entrepreneurship with many equal shareholders. Unless you start demanding for special treatment and exclusion from market forces, which is usually what the communists are actually after

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by Dah00n » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 8:03 AM UTC

KeplerBoy wrote: post #181

mananaysiempre wrote: post #63

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TFA also mentions Danish truckers. I’m not sure what the current state of Swedish land transport workers is in this regard, but given even the Swedish postal service has been refusing to deliver Tesla’s mail, I doubt they’ll be the weak link here.

You don't need swedish truckers though. Polish or German truckers will happily deliver your stuff to Sweden.

This doesn't matter, as part of a strike is to block others from doing what you are striking against. They have "guards" in place.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by Dah00n » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 8:07 AM UTC

waihtis wrote: post #314

avgcorrection wrote: post #305

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Congratulations, you have no idea what worker-owned+governed businesses are.

Ah, the preferred company structure of all economic juggernauts, such as Venezuela.

The structure bombed into dust 99% of the times it was tried.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by Dah00n » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 8:14 AM UTC

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #291

e-i-o-a wrote: post #98

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What I find interesting in this whole situation is that there are huge Swedish companies like Spotify (which I believe are run/founded by Swedes) that do not have a union agreement [0]. Yet somehow Musk is the evil American capitalist that does not respect local customs :) 0: https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/sweden-s...

Even though Spotify does have some metal in their catalogue, I don't see how a metalworkers union could strike against Spotify. Instead of some anti-US sentiment that you not-so-hidden point at, the real answer is different unions with different cultures and bargaining power.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by Dah00n » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 8:23 AM UTC

0xDEF wrote: post #254

Norway, Denmark, and Sweden are combined Tesla's 3rd biggest market after the US and China. Why did Elon pick this fight? Most American companies know how to operate here without getting into fights with unions.

>Why did Elon pick this fight?

In Elon's world, a world with Unions is a world with a feudal system where the Unions are the lords and poor owners like Elon are vassals and fiefs (his words, not mine).

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by derelicta » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 8:35 AM UTC

waihtis wrote: post #314

avgcorrection wrote: post #305

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Congratulations, you have no idea what worker-owned+governed businesses are.

Ah, the preferred company structure of all economic juggernauts, such as Venezuela.

If the American oligarchy wasn't so keen on destabilising its counterparts with sanctions and military coups I'm pretty sure Venezuela and many others in the middle east would be in a much better shape. But then again that would require the amercain people to wake up, ask itself the right questions and act on it :)