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Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by jacquesm »

wooque wrote: post #83
jgilias wrote: post #14

Why though? Did they just figure they’d grant one, and he just went ahead and accepted? Or is there a reason he needs one that wasn’t explained? I know that people sometimes shop around for a passport from whatever EU country for reasons, but Serbia isn’t one. (With all due respect to Serbia)

Election is in 10 days, so government is desperate to show how cool they are. He probably got paid few millions bucks, so they could parade him around and give him citizenship.

That's a very uncharitable thing to say.

Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by [deleted] »

fmobus wrote: post #86
medo-bear wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one of few remaining militarily non-aligned countries. If Big War breaks out it is unlikely Serbia will be enacting conscription. It is also not a likely nuke target.

The country not being a nuclear target is only a relevant advantage if you move there. Also, conscription is absolutely irrelevant for someone his age. Besides, citizens living abroad are usually not pressed into service, even in times of war.

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Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by dragonwriter »

medo-bear wrote: post #63
ahoka wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Woz want Serbian citizenship? It’s not an EU country and let’s say it’s not exactly Monaco either.

It's one of few remaining militarily non-aligned countries. If Big War breaks out it is unlikely Serbia will be enacting conscription. It is also not a likely nuke target.

> It's one of few remaining militarily non-aligned countries.

There are lots of countries that are strictly militarily non-aligned (as in, not members of any mutual defense pact.)

It is true that there are relatively few countries that are not either militarily aligned or strongly in the geopolitical orbit of one or more of Russia, China, or the US, but...Serbia isn't in this category, either.

Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by medo-bear »

dragonwriter wrote: post #103
medo-bear wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one of few remaining militarily non-aligned countries. If Big War breaks out it is unlikely Serbia will be enacting conscription. It is also not a likely nuke target.

> It's one of few remaining militarily non-aligned countries. There are lots of countries that are strictly militarily non-aligned (as in, not members of any mutual defense pact.) It is true that there are relatively few countries that are not either militarily aligned or strongly in the geopolitical orbit of one or more of Russia, China, or the US, but...Serbia isn't in this category, either.

> There are lots of countries that are strictly militarily non-aligned (as in, not members of any mutual defense pact.)

In Europe?

> It is true that there are relatively few countries that are not either militarily aligned or strongly in the geopolitical orbit of one or more of Russia, China, or the US, but...Serbia isn't in this category, either.

Actually, Serbia often gets criticized for playing a juggling game between EU, Russia, and China. As far as orbits go, for all its bravado about 'brotherly' Russia, it is actually mostly dependent on the EU

Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by SergeAx »

jacquesm wrote: post #92
SergeAx wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate? I live in Serbia for two years and don't feel much xenophobia towards me. I am aware of above-average homophobic sentiment here, and some hate towards ex-Yugoslav neighbors, but hey, they were at war and it is mutual.

I take issue with the "least xenophobic places out there nowadays", I don't think that needs further elaboration, it would require a lot of work to establish that any place is compatible with that label and based on what I've seen Serbia likely would not be close to the top of the list, you give two nice examples already and I would have a couple of others.

Well, given the current state of affairs in the EU/UK, with those anti-Israel marches on one side and the general stance toward migrants on the other, Serbia seems like a quieter haven to me right now. Also, Serbs are very relaxed and genuinely friendly. Also, the crime rate is relatively low (especially given the amount of firearms, or maybe thanks to it). So, if the author of the previous comment is looking for a place to move, Serbia can be a good fit regarding the overall level of hospitality/peace of mind.

Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by yreg »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #99
yreg wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serbian accession is not at all likely in the coming years. They have had full candidate status since 2012. Last year the European Parliament passed a resolution saying it "strongly regrets Serbia’s non-alignment with EU sanctions against Russia, which damages its EU accession process." There's also the problem regarding their relationship with Kosovo. Also, only 34-43% of Serbians want to join according to polls. Co…

I've lived in both Serbia and Albania fairly recently. Yes, 90-something % of Albanians would be glad to instantly improve their standard of living. Culturally (i.e. 'European Values') they're far from aligned with the EU right now. Serbia, on the other hand, does largely share "European Values", more and more so every year. Its political alignments can change very quickly. But the cultural trajectory is clear.

Interesting, could you explain in what ways is Serbia more aligned with the EU?

Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by rasz »

jasonvm wrote: post #94
wooque wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Election is in 10 days, so government is desperate to show how cool they are. He probably got paid few millions bucks, so they could parade him around and give him citizenship.

Considering how wealthy he is, I can't imagine a few million bucks could possibly sway him.

yet he fronted some scam crypto

Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by sgt »

andsoitis wrote: post #87
sgt wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could interpret it as the creator of the PC, which is true. There was really no "Personal Computer" before Jobs and Wozniak came along. Not to say they also didn't stand on the shoulders of giants.

> One could interpret it as the creator of the PC, which is true. The record differs, even if the hype supports it. Specifically, the John Blankenbaker Kenbak-1 is considered to be the first personal computer. https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/personal-computer...

No, I disagree. It was more like a calculator. And not really accessible.

The Apple I was the first proper one (the way most people would recognize a relatively usable personal computer), and it kicked off a revolution. That revolution was coming though, Apple or not.

Re: Serbia grants citizenship to Steve Wozniak

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Post by vanattab »

fmobus wrote: post #86
medo-bear wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one of few remaining militarily non-aligned countries. If Big War breaks out it is unlikely Serbia will be enacting conscription. It is also not a likely nuke target.

The country not being a nuclear target is only a relevant advantage if you move there. Also, conscription is absolutely irrelevant for someone his age. Besides, citizens living abroad are usually not pressed into service, even in times of war.

Not that I think that's why woz accepted citizenship, but it would allow him to move there in the event that tensions escalated to the point he thought it nessesary.
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