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Firefox on the brink?

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Post by insanitybit »

hedora wrote: post #779
insanitybit wrote: post #758

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I don't think that's true. They just ruled that the constitutional right to privacy is not sufficient for the Roe v Wade ruling.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-... > The final decision was little changed from the leaked draft. Writing for the five-justice majority (with Chief Justice Roberts concurring only in the judgment), Justice Samuel Alito argued that the right to privacy is not specifically guaranteed anywhere in the Constitution. When unenumerated liberty rights exist — the right to raise your child as you…

Thank you.

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Post by pbronez »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #609
preinheimer wrote: post #489

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Specific problems I've had as a firefox user: - I can't pay municipal license fees (Site says "Use Chrome") - I can't use the Vendor management portal for $largePopularTechCompany type company for my small business ("We support Chrome") - Xero my small business accounting software just doesn't work properly ("Use Chrome")

Some Xero products don’t work properly no matter what your browser is. For me, Mozilla has bugs or weaknesses in Linux. YouTube chews my cpu (hardware acceleration is broken, at least for me). Tabs ‘freeze’ due to a bug in an X11 lib. Pop up bubbles (do you want to enable gps to this site type bubbles) if visible before switching workspaces appear on all workspaces but cannot be actioned and appear on top. Mozilla as…

Maybe somebody should fork Firefox and start over with new stewardship.

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Post by rbanffy »

indymike wrote: post #551
rbanffy wrote: post #546

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All the browsers are probably counted as Firefox. A better guidance would be to count based on engines (Chrome, Edge, and Safari are all variations on WebKit) and have a device preventing an engine monopoly.

> All the browsers are probably counted as Firefox. Firefox for iOS uses WebKit as the rendering engine, and the others are significantly divergent from Firefox proper and take significant development resources away from the core product, so I disagree with counting the products as a single browser.

Those browsers are part of the product. It's just functionality that's not in the most popular version. Still, for all purposes, they should be counted as one (with the exception of the iOS version, of course, because it behaves like Safari for the web-page side).

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by vkou »

sleepybrett wrote: post #778
vkou wrote: post #478

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When MS tried this shit, there weren't companies that were selling you locked-down hardware running a locked-down OS running a locked-down App Store, while taking a 30% cut of every economic transaction on that store...

Game consoles existed (maybe not 30%) but the cell phone industry was already a nightmare.

When cell phones were first getting off-the-ground, they were more like garage door openers - specialized tools for specialized settings. There is a lot of academic debate that the FSF and the EFF can spill on the subject of interop and software freedom for garage door openers, but practically, it wasn't a big social problem.

Nowadays, cellphones are primary computing devices for a lot of people, with a large number of supporting and symbiotic industries around them. The various platform owners have drawn particular lines around their products, and have largely defended them in anti-trust courts - but there's no reason that those lines should be allowed to be where they are, or won't expand in the future.

What stops a platform from, in addition to exerting full control over the software that runs on it, also choosing to exert similar control over the packets that are sent or received by it?

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Post by indymike »

rbanffy wrote: post #783
indymike wrote: post #551

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> All the browsers are probably counted as Firefox. Firefox for iOS uses WebKit as the rendering engine, and the others are significantly divergent from Firefox proper and take significant development resources away from the core product, so I disagree with counting the products as a single browser.

Those browsers are part of the product. It's just functionality that's not in the most popular version. Still, for all purposes, they should be counted as one (with the exception of the iOS version, of course, because it behaves like Safari for the web-page side).

Mozilla does not position them or manage them as "part of the product".

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Post by encom »

sleepybrett wrote: post #773
encom wrote: post #772

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And 99% of the time it's not what I want. I'm sure there's an extension that fixes it, but why remove it in the first place? It's a pointless change. There are probably extensions that "fix" all the other myriad things Mozilla broke or removed, but now I have to rely on the good will of a third party to develop it and keep it up to date. There are only so many times I'll tolerate Mozilla breaking my workflow, so I ha…

well knock yourself out. Turns out things change that we personally do not like all the time. Some of those things are worth caring about, some of them are not. I salute you for dieing on the hill of 'one more click'. To me this falls well elow the ar of user hostile in a world where google chrome farms you and prevents you from using ad blockers.

You keep arguing as if I deleted Firefox because of this one issue. I'm not going to repeat myself any more.

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Post by riversflow »

insanitybit wrote: post #757
flagrant_taco wrote: post #733

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"appears to have 2%" is doing a lot of work he. If the earlier comments are accurate, the government stats are based on Google Analytics data that is specifically blocked or obscured by Firefox. That 2% kind be breached, but the data doesn't accurately represent usage if Firefix is blocking GA in any meaningful numbers.

Yeah I used the word "appears" exactly to emphasize that the appearance is sufficient. The government is working with the data they have.

The government shouldn’t work based on data, but on virtue. That’s the whole point of a constitution, common law, etc.

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Post by insanitybit »

riversflow wrote: post #787
insanitybit wrote: post #757

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Yeah I used the word "appears" exactly to emphasize that the appearance is sufficient. The government is working with the data they have.

The government shouldn’t work based on data, but on virtue. That’s the whole point of a constitution, common law, etc.

Easier said than done. That introduces the chance for bias and nepotism. The data driven approach is intended to avoid that.

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Post by MrMember »

hs86 wrote: post #117

I switched over after the Manifest v3 debacle, and after a couple of months, I wonder if the implications of using a browser with a lower market share are overblown. I haven't encountered any site that misbehaves, and the only missing feature so far is within the Google Drive web app because it uses a Chrome-only extension [1]. Maybe the ongoing standardization of the web shows its effects here, and using a standard-…

I've been using Firefox as my primary browser since 2005-2006ish. A site misbehaving because of it is a rare enough occurrence that offhand I can't remember any time that it has happened.

One issue I do come across occasionally, and I'm not sure if it's Firefox alone or the combination of add-ons I use in Firefox, is sites being overzealous with captchas. I find myself doing 3-5 captchas occasionally just to use a site.

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