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Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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#11
The mask debate is so ridiculous I'm astonished that we are still having it. Why do so many (mostly science deniers) constantly have an axe to grind? Those most "propagandized" are almost a complete overlap with those that identify as "independent thinkers". Please, tell me again what Joe Rogan said on a podcast. Ugh.

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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I've thought the mandates were stupid right from the start. Don't get me wrong, I am not an anti-masker, and I work in healthcare so I've worn a mask every day for the last 3 years. But forcing people who do not want to wear masks to wear them is just a waste of masks. They aren't wearing them properly or effectively. Hell, a large portion of people who support masks aren't wearing them properly. This is why you see…

It was really a sad episode in American history. I suppose it’s been 100 years since Prohibition so we needed a reminder that Americans really do not like having individual liberties infringed. It can’t work here - and that is by design.

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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post #11

The mask debate is so ridiculous I'm astonished that we are still having it. Why do so many (mostly science deniers) constantly have an axe to grind? Those most "propagandized" are almost a complete overlap with those that identify as "independent thinkers". Please, tell me again what Joe Rogan said on a podcast. Ugh.

Replying since you are sorted as top comment at time of this reply...

You seem to be implying the people who spoke out against children masking are Joe Rogan watching, science denying, propaganda believing, "independent thinkers".

Funny place to post that analysis... in the comment section of a massive meta-analysis whose results include:

"Conclusions Real-world effectiveness of child mask mandates against SARS-CoV-2 transmission or infection has not been demonstrated with high-quality evidence. The current body of scientific data does not support masking children for protection against COVID-19."

Perhaps read the article and look at yourself in mirror before jumping to tribal us/them mentality... otherwise its you who may be the science denying, propaganda believing, "independent thinker"

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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post #11

The mask debate is so ridiculous I'm astonished that we are still having it. Why do so many (mostly science deniers) constantly have an axe to grind? Those most "propagandized" are almost a complete overlap with those that identify as "independent thinkers". Please, tell me again what Joe Rogan said on a podcast. Ugh.

Do you think this article was written and peer reviewed by “science deniers?”

Do you think they shouldn’t study mask efficacy?

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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post #11

The mask debate is so ridiculous I'm astonished that we are still having it. Why do so many (mostly science deniers) constantly have an axe to grind? Those most "propagandized" are almost a complete overlap with those that identify as "independent thinkers". Please, tell me again what Joe Rogan said on a podcast. Ugh.

Replying since you are sorted as top comment at time of this reply... You seem to be implying the people who spoke out against children masking are Joe Rogan watching, science denying, propaganda believing, "independent thinkers". Funny place to post that analysis... in the comment section of a massive meta-analysis whose results include: "Conclusions Real-world effectiveness of child mask mandates against SARS-CoV-2…

I think GP was referring to themself as science illiterate, maybe?

It seemed like an odd comment to make given this seems like a decently rigorous paper in a reputable journal. So saying “only cool people believe in science, that’s not this science” seems really off and odd to me.

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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Did anyone expect a different result here?

I think what people are more interested in is whether people who are dutiful with covid pre-cautions actually work(kids are a tough cohort). I think we know the answer there too.

For example, a systematic review of professionals in a workplace with mask policies versus those without.

Or systematic reviews on other helpful topics like ventilation, filtration, and testing from different cohort perspectives like kids and adults.

The current consensus we all have today is just "don't get infected" which does humanity very little good. There are evidence-based approaches that need to inform public policy makers and for those policy makers to be very clear with the public on what the risk each person entails without pre-cautions.

https://johnsnowproject.org/

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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Here’s my suspicion, based on observation but no statistical evidence:

1. Most masks for children fit extremely poorly. I doubt they do much filtration of incoming air. Maybe they’re useful for source control, especially for pathogens that spread through large droplets (i.e. maybe not Covid).

2. They do have one major obvious effect: when worn even remotely correctly, they keep kid fingers and hands away from kid mouths and noses.

So I expect them to be quite useful at protecting kids from pathogens that are contracted by collecting the pathogens on one’s hands and sticking them in one’s mouth or rubbing one’s nose. And they may also have a strong source control effect for pathogens that come from kid mouths or noses, get on kid hands, and spread onto surfaces.

These are not descriptions of Covid! But there are a lot of diseases that kids get frequently that aren’t Covid. I bet they substantially reduce transmission by the fecal-oral route, for example. And they may help quite a bit against the kinds of viruses that kids actually get from outdoor playground, especially if the kids wash or sanitize their hands after playing.

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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"Conclusions Real-world effectiveness of child mask mandates against SARS-CoV-2 transmission or infection has not been demonstrated with high-quality evidence. The current body of scientific data does not support masking children for protection against COVID-19."

It's funny that it took 3+ years to get a reputable journal to admit what we basically already knew experientially.

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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Masks were always terrible idea for kids. It only stayed around so long because it became a shibboleth for tribal identity.

This. I hope none of you had to endure air travel in the height of the absurd Biden administration's unscientific mask mandates. The poor Delta flight attendants had to go row to row making sure toddlers were wearing a piece of fabric over their face, which the kid would take off every 15 seconds. It was traumatic for me, the staff, my kid, and those around us. And it was all for nothing. I will never forget what they've put us through.

Re: Child mask mandates for Covid-19: a systematic review

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The study is compelling but I don't think anyone cares about COVID-19 anymore. Nor do I think you'll ever get kids to care enough about masking to do it properly.

Santa Clara County has reimposed the mask mandate in health facilities. Those in power have difficulty relinquishing it.

On the list of obnoxious regulatory overreach that regulators could engage in, requiring masks in health care facilities seems fine, actually. Maybe even extremely wise.

When someone is sick enough that they ought to stay home, but they go somewhere indoors anyway and wait around for a while, where is it? Likely a health care facility. And there are tons of nasty, often drug-resistant, pathogens that are largely transmitted in health care facilities. And a lot of people visitng said facilities are also vulnerable and/or immunocompromised and/or are taking medicines (e.g. antibiotics) that substantially increase the risk of getting infected by otherwise-not-so-harmful things.

So, please, bring on the infection control measures in health care facilities. Masks, air filtration, ventilation, far-UVC, hand washing, sanitizer, you name it.

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