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An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

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Post by kabanda1 »

_cenw wrote: post #292
kabanda1 wrote: post #268

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Maybe a wrong word to use. But politicians claim to be representing the people's voice in ceating those laws is not entirely correct. In most African countries, people are still uncomfortable with LGBTQ, and the general show of love in public but not hostile to the extent of enacted laws Remember most LGBTQ activism is sponsored by the west, so politicians use that to heat up the population about family, bill gates,…

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Why are you reeling like that? I just stated simple facts as they are in our society.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

bombcar wrote: post #280
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #273

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Poor planning to ask for money 6 months in advance? How is that poor planning?

You ask for money far in advance so you can get a no with a reasonable timeframe to switch to something else. Yes is easy, what's you're no plan?

6 months is way in advance. PSF policy is to ask 4-6 weeks before the event (Timeframe: We require that applications be submitted 6 weeks before the event/project start date - this gives us enough time to thoroughly review, ask questions, and have enough time to send you the funds.), so 6 months is more than enough time.

And we're missing the issue: the organizers were asking for $9k, which by all means should have been an easy yes/no. If they would have asked for 100k, maybe, but $9k is chump change.

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Post by bmicraft »

leadingthenet wrote: post #253
wyldfire wrote: post #240

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> If you don’t feel safe, don’t go sure, but then shouldn't organizations like PSF take that into account when considering funding? by sponsoring the event they're endorsing it. so you could also see how it's not that great to endorse an event where you should warn attendees "hey don't gay it up bro they will beat you down here. just hide your shameful activity until you get back home."

Everything does not need to get politicised. A programming conference is one such example.

Everything is political. Only people considered the "cultural default" mostly don't _have_ to think about it.

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whoknew1122 wrote: post #310

I'm with most of this. But then we get to: >In one recent example, voices on the PSF Board were demanding that a condition of funding for a particular PyCon be the formal adoption of a “human rights plan” - a measure that would pose a significant legal and personal risk to its organisers. > >The entitlement and assumption of cultural superiority embodied in these ideas are absurd and offensive. I can't track down wha…

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Post by bmicraft »

asylteltine wrote: post #264
pierat wrote: post #239

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Privilege? No, most African and Middle Eastern governments just have shitty governments based on an even worse religion. At least Western governments have the idea of Universal Human Rights ( https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... ) And being 'accepted' or not is wholly different than 'executed' or 'jailed for life'. And for me, it's simple: don't go to most of Africa or anywhere in the Middl…

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> and they are lawless

And that's where you crossed over into being racist

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Post by dragonwriter »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #317
dragonwriter wrote: post #256

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I assure you that virtually no one, least of all LGBTQIA+ activists, has trouble fathoming the idea of a culture not accepting deviation from cisheteronormative standards. Even in most western countries, tolerance for that is weak now , and was absent in living memory.

In US alone, all the current acceptance is a relatively recent phenomenon. Not that long ago ( 80s? ) it was considered a psychological disorder. I don't remember gays being as militant about it though. They did the marches and stuff, but the majority of the hard work was done via cultural insertion using movies and so on. BLM and other groups should consider taking a page, because any resistance they experience now…

> Not that long ago ( 80s? ) it was considered a psychological disorder. I don't remember gays being as militant about it though.

You... probably should refresh your memory of the centrality and significance of militant activism, particularly in the context of the AIDS crisis by groups like ACT-UP, in the gay rights movement then.

> but the majority of the hard work was done via cultural insertion using movies and so on.

No, much hard work had to be done to acheive the level of influence in powerful institution to do “cultural insertion using movies and so on”.

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Post by culebron21 »

bitcurious wrote: post #241
culebron21 wrote: post #116

You can't demand people in other places to McDonaldize their conference to the latest intellectual fashion of the costal United States. Demanding others to comply to your cultural standards (and denying cooperation otherwise), you actually strip yourself of the opportunity to spread them (cultural standards).

Genuine question - why not? If (for the sake of argument) the money is raised in the coastal United States, why are they not entitled to disburse it conditional on respecting LGBTQ rights?

My point is that sure, one can set this condition too, and be very strict about it. But this way they just close the ways to spread their culture.

If Protestant churches were behaving this way, they'd still have stayed in North Europe exclusively, not send missionaries anywhere, and achieved nothing.

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