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Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by wnevets » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:49 PM UTC

bovermyer wrote: post #5

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

Every time there is a new Windows people say this and also mention how the previous version was so much better. It reminds me of the US election cycle where people say they're gonna move to Canada if person A wins.

Earlier this year I switched to Windows 11 then installed ExplorerPatcher, now its just like Windows 10 and I no longer care that is its Windows 11.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by jtylr » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

phreack wrote: post #18

I have no idea why, but my PC is very modern but still won't allow W11 to install (maybe a blessing?). So this means that I'll have to leave Windows entirely once this comes to pass. What's the angle?

It's possible you may just have to enable TPM in bios. It's one of the install requirements.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/what-is-tpm-705f24...

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by kalupa » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

thebigman433 wrote: post #16

bovermyer wrote: post #5

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

What are your major issues with W11? I just started using it for the first time recently because my work laptop came with it, and it is surprisingly smooth. There are some UI changes Im not a fan of, but its otherwise fast/snappy in a way Linux sometimes isnt for me.

My major issue is the CPU I bought when I bought windows 10 is not (officially) supported by windows 11, despite being the current generation when I'd bought it ...

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by jrm4 » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

voxic11 wrote: post #15

rjmunro wrote: post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

If software was subject to the same product liability laws as physical products could open source software even exist?

Most likely, but the current proprietary software probably wouldn't.

Part of the whole "product liability" thing is WHAT IS PROMISED, either in contract or implied.

Most open source clearly disclaims as much as possible, and also doesn't have a clear "party" making claims.

Proprietary, like Microsoft, makes a ton of claims about safety and privacy and doesn't deliver.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by GoofGarage » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

bovermyer wrote: post #5

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints.

It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It eliminates I believe all the tracking, adware, suggestions, Cortana, feeding the Bing/ChatGPT machine, telemetry, etc. Absolutely nothing breaks. No need for a Microsoft account. It should be straightforward and to-the-click/keystroke.

https://github.com/GoofGarage/Win11Clean

If there’s any bugbears, create an issue. I’ll be responding to them every few weeks, and I try to update the release every 3 months.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by I_Am_Nous » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

phreack wrote: post #18

I have no idea why, but my PC is very modern but still won't allow W11 to install (maybe a blessing?). So this means that I'll have to leave Windows entirely once this comes to pass. What's the angle?

Is it a laptop without a webcam? I remember Microsoft pushing webcams as a requirement for laptops, could have just been to make OEMs install them as a standard.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by kevincox » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

Guvante wrote: post #11

rjmunro wrote: post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

Dropping support for old versions is standard. As long as the window of support is sufficiently long it is a fine decision overall. The question is can Microsoft extend that support for a cost? Note they did provide a decade of updates.

> The question is can Microsoft extend that support for a cost?

I think it is reasonable to do this. The alternative is making all users pay for the extended support that only a minority need. I think after a decade it is completely fair that the users who value longer support can pay for it.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by nemomarx » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:54 PM UTC

GoofGarage wrote: post #25

bovermyer wrote: post #5

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It elimin…

Do you have a fix for the taskbar?

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by at_a_remove » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:55 PM UTC

Windows 10 Internet of Things will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. So a little less than two years.

Perhaps by then people will have found a way to tame the beast. I think the IoT versions are the way to go.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by GoofGarage » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

nemomarx wrote: post #28

GoofGarage wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It elimin…

Do you have a fix for the taskbar?

Fixing what? There are multiple sections in the guide addressing the task bar and start menu depending on what you’re looking to address.