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Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

Dropping support for old versions is standard. As long as the window of support is sufficiently long it is a fine decision overall.

The question is can Microsoft extend that support for a cost?

Note they did provide a decade of updates.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#12
post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

Network hardware vendors have been doing it for years, more money for Microsoft I guess.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#13

Cost to consumer, incentivizes companies to adopt new technology and avoid relying on specific OS versions. Seems like a good policy.

Another way to incentivize companies to stop relying on specific OS versions is to stop making every successive version ever more user-hostile and jammed with adware, spyware, and dark patterns.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#14
post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

Despite the legal system depending almost exclusively on analogies like this when it comes to tech, I feel that I have read very few legal opinions that make them.

Warranties don't last forever.

If you find a manufacturer defect in a five year old item that has a two year warranty they don't have to fix it. It doesn't matter if it was their fault they don't need to maintain it forever.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

If software was subject to the same product liability laws as physical products could open source software even exist?

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#16

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

What are your major issues with W11? I just started using it for the first time recently because my work laptop came with it, and it is surprisingly smooth. There are some UI changes Im not a fan of, but its otherwise fast/snappy in a way Linux sometimes isnt for me.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#17
post #7

Cost to consumer, incentivizes companies to adopt new technology and avoid relying on specific OS versions. Seems like a good policy.

Or force you (the consumer) to upgrade to newer versions with hostile terms of service and/or applications. It works both ways.

I was able to disable the annoying programs pretty easily and don't know of any licensing changes.

Or is this hypothetical?

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#19
post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

Providing infinite support for all software would greatly increase the cost. I don't think that is actually what users want. I think the way that Microsoft is managing this is actually a pretty fair system.

1. Included with the base purchase price you get a predefined period of support.

2. You can pay more to get longer support.

This way users that value longer product lifetime are the ones paying the cost, not the ones who are happy to update to the new version every few years.

Whether or not the specific prices are fair is a different (and much more complex issue). But I think the model makes sense.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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post #13

Cost to consumer, incentivizes companies to adopt new technology and avoid relying on specific OS versions. Seems like a good policy.

Another way to incentivize companies to stop relying on specific OS versions is to stop making every successive version ever more user-hostile and jammed with adware, spyware, and dark patterns.

Can you name adware, spyware or dark patterns that are present in win11 that weren't present in win10?
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