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Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by gamblor956 »

talldatethrow wrote: post #160
bquinlan wrote: post #95

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> IMO a teacher being paid $90k a year for 7 hours a day of work, > 10 months a year, should be working hard to improve. I don't disagree that she should work to improve, but you are using $90K as if it were a lot of money. According to census data [1], the median household income in San Ramon is $173,519/year and the median rent is $2,557/month. In San Ramon, you can get paid $65,000/year as an assistant manager at…

Did you just show me a chart where over 1/3 of the numbers are around or above $90k, and then ask me how she could be earning that number?

Yes, but that 1/3rd is all high school teachers with multiple certifications or teachers who have 20+ years of teaching experience.

Based on what you've said about your soon-to-be-ex girlfriend, she isn't either of those things.

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Post by doublemint2203 »

allenrb wrote: post #70
doublemint2203 wrote: post #21

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fellow teenager on hn spotted

I’m not a teenager anymore but have kids in 4th & kindergarten. The amount of technology exposure the 4th grader gets is appalling. That goes right up to addictive little clicky games that remind me of the WoW I spent a year playing. I get that teaching well is hard, but I cannot rid myself of the feeling that some teachers are leaning on the tech because actual teaching has gotten too hard. For one thing, it seems l…

eh. I was raised watching the iphones go from 1 to 15 while the numbers kinda lined up with my grade levels, so for context I feel like I've seen both sides of the coin when it comes to kids & phones.

I believe in what you're saying, to an extent, and even am grinding my schoolwork with a flip phone, but at this point I think the onus is on the parents to encourage productive habits and make the kid understand WHY the addictiveness is so implicit and dangerous.

if you don't have anything to replace the scrolling with, you will return to scrolling.

best of luck with the kids, imho meditation worked best for me kicking my phone addiction

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Post by superb_dev »

bongodongobob wrote: post #127
superb_dev wrote: post #111

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I don’t know why everyone got caught up telling this public forum is public. Saying that about a partner anywhere is pretty awful, public or not.

What are you guys on about? Do you think that every partner loves everything about their SO? You've never dated anyone where they had some character flaws that weren't deal breakers? Oh. Right. We're at Hackernews.

I don’t expect you to love every part of your SO. I do expect you to have some basic respect for them

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by PointThink »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #219
Loughla wrote: post #108

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I'm not going to pull the fire alarm if my friend is having an epileptic seizure.

We've gone many generations without cell phones at schools with trained professionals who are qualified to handle seizures. You don't need a cell phone to contact someone who can get medical assistance on a school campus.

I don't know how things work where your live, but I'm willing to bet my right hand that there is not a single person in my school that knows what to do in case of a seizure.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

PointThink wrote: post #224
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #219

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We've gone many generations without cell phones at schools with trained professionals who are qualified to handle seizures. You don't need a cell phone to contact someone who can get medical assistance on a school campus.

I don't know how things work where your live, but I'm willing to bet my right hand that there is not a single person in my school that knows what to do in case of a seizure.

Epilepsy training is bog standard for teachers. Just because the kids don't know how to handle it doesn't mean that the teachers won't.

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Post by pempem »

riversflow wrote: post #107
pempem wrote: post #41

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Honestly I generally agree with you. I dont even want my kid to have a phone but now that I have a child I am worried about them being able to call me if there is some kind of: - natural disaster - school shooting - third type of personal issue where the school doesn't share what happened Growing up I do not remember my parents having these fears despite there being a bomb scare (once during my schooling).

I read this as your peace of mind being more important than maintaining a schooling environment conducive to education. We need to protect kids, not expect our kids to protect us, which is what expecting them to be able to contact you during school is, protecting you from anxiety. This seems incredibly selfish, but not out of line for a society so incredibly narcissistic as that of American Millenials.

LMAO

Thank you riverflows. I needed that.

1. Unintentional injuries account for 30% of all deaths of teenagers

2. Within that, suicide and homicide are the top two causes

3. Pretty sure its biological not narcissism that makes me want to make sure my progeny are safe esp when in a space that continually seems to be failing children and coming up with such mindbending solutions as more guns in schools

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #129
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #113

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3/4 of teacher believe in "learning styles" which we figured out was bunk science pretty much the instant it came out. It sucks that we'll probably crush the great teacher but forcing so much standardization but the simple fact is most teachers can't be trusted to actually make good decisions or teach well.

The question then is if you expect better outcomes from the same teachers you dont trust, who cant teach, and make bad decisions if you provide them a script they hate. Do you expect better outcomes if they quit and you replace them with training videos? Call me a skeptic, but I dont think standard lesson plans will move the needle for a shitty teacher that doesn't give a shit. They probably wont even engage with tha…

> The question then is if you expect better outcomes from the same teachers you dont trust, who cant teach, and make bad decisions if you provide them a script they hate.

Yes

> Do you expect better outcomes if they quit and you replace them with training videos?

You still need someone to enforce the kids are actually doing what they've been instructed to but yes I'd expect an equal or better outcome.

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Post by bknight1983 »

donatj wrote: post #19

As a former student of a Minnesota district right outside Minneapolis, it's interesting to me that they were allowed at all. When I was in school in the late 90's / early aughts we weren't even supposed to have our Discman or early MP3 players on school property. We all had them of course, but if they were seen they could be confiscated - I think it was largely an empty threat but I never saw anyone push it. Some tea…

Brings back great memories of my TI-83. Wrote my first program on it (text based SimCity). It’s somewhere on the 10s of 3.5 disks sitting in my closet
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