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Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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It's a huge problem for both privacy and the open source ecosystem that Apple and Google mandate use of their own notification system for apps to be included in their stores.

And now we understand why they do that.

I suspect it wasn't initially designed to help enable government surveillance, but that data must have a significant dollar value to those companies.

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It's fascinating that about half hese comments appear to be from younger people unfamiliar with "USA PATRIOT" Act gag orders, FISA, Five Eyes, Least Untruthful Response and related controversies that were big in the news 10-20 years ago.

Amusingly and sadly, the law was called PATRIOT as a normal "give a bad law a Good name", but over time "patriot" has become synonym for "traitor" in common use.

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This, to me, is the more disturbing part of the article: > In this case, the federal government prohibited us from sharing any information," the company said in a statement. "Now that this method has become public we are updating our transparency reporting to detail these kinds of requests. What is the point of transparency reports if they don't include major vectors of government surveillance? IMO such gag orders sh…

> But gagging a company from disclosing untargeted or semi-targeted surveillance, especially if it involves American citizens, seems like it should be unconstitutional on free speech grounds. I see you have not read the Patriot Act, an Orwellian double-speak of a title if there ever was one.

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Would be great to see an example of notification metadata that can supposedly link it to real users. Seems like this is what is being implied: Given: - users with notifications enabled - have X app installed - targeted user(s) reside in USA - targeted users(s) following “foo” on X app When: - issue FISA warrant for all smartphone users that received notifications in regards to “foo” user Then: - able to pull all Appl…

So, don’t have Twitter account and/or app installed and you should be good?

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Most likely to try and catch Chinese spies or other countries like India, Iran, Russia, and others as they continue to go after dissidents abroad.

Or to track US activists and resell the information to the US government, in exchange for data on other five-eyes citizens or access to other surveillance systems (US ones are obviously the best, from a military standpoint).

Or (insert country you have a political agenda against) to (do thing you disagree with) for the purposes of (pushing your own political agenda).

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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post #155

This, to me, is the more disturbing part of the article: > In this case, the federal government prohibited us from sharing any information," the company said in a statement. "Now that this method has become public we are updating our transparency reporting to detail these kinds of requests. What is the point of transparency reports if they don't include major vectors of government surveillance? IMO such gag orders sh…

> But gagging a company from disclosing untargeted or semi-targeted surveillance, especially if it involves American citizens, seems like it should be unconstitutional on free speech grounds. I see you have not read the Patriot Act, an Orwellian double-speak of a title if there ever was one.

Is it really that hard for the government to get a warrant for a suspected terrorist?

Is there any data on how often they're surveilling people without warrants vs with warrants?

This seems like important info to know.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

perhaps that democracy is not effective when the state organs are unelected bureacrats with guns

Would you prefer elected bureacrats with guns? That scares me more. Perhaps we just go with rock solid transparency laws...

It's a sad day when HN is defending the Patriot Act.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"democracies allied to the United States." - includes India too.

Maybe so, but it seems clear that the surveillance goes both ways: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-09-23/us-dip...

Except that India is not spying on US Government but its own Apple/Google users.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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post #150

Would be great to see an example of notification metadata that can supposedly link it to real users. Seems like this is what is being implied: Given: - users with notifications enabled - have X app installed - targeted user(s) reside in USA - targeted users(s) following “foo” on X app When: - issue FISA warrant for all smartphone users that received notifications in regards to “foo” user Then: - able to pull all Appl…

Why bother with this whole process when you can get everything + store & index it yourself?

Who knows? Maybe you want to retroactively look at shit peopke received and decide on new crimes.

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