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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by nylon_remedy »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #106
kristofferR wrote: post #91

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That's nothing, whole genders have striked before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Icelandic_women%27s_strik...

A bit apples to oranges. That's an actual strike. They don't go in to work and they don't get paid. They didn't selectively continue working but only for X that they decided are they good guys

A strike is only one part of industrial actions which unions can take, other include overtime bans and, in this case, a blockade. The purpose is to force Tesla to the negotiating table and get a collective bargaining agreement, which covers most of the Swedish labour market.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #50
croes wrote: post #36

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Which are forbidden in Germany. Thanks to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Carl_Nipperdey who already stripped worker of their rights in the Nazi regime.

In UK too, most people dont realise that defending your rights can be a crime and that freedom of association is super limited

Defending yourself against any government is considered a crime.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by e-i-o-a »

nylon_remedy wrote: post #135
e-i-o-a wrote: post #98

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Over 90 percent of Swedish workers are covered by collective bargain agreement. https://akademssr.se/lon-karriar/yrkesfragor/chef/anstallnin... https://www.mi.se/nyheter/2022/kollektivavtal-sa-ser-de-vita...

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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

mathverse wrote: post #100
p_l wrote: post #75

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Housing prices are so high because there's not enough housing and sellers can dictate prices. And that prosperity isn't due to low-paid fungible labour, although believe me, the stereotypical polish boss tries hard to drive down the price of labour... And while it's better to be with work than without, living paycheck to paycheck in fear is not that great either, and doesn't exactly provide ways out. So sometimes we'…

Your southern neighbor here. PL to me is a rising regional power very similar to Korea only hindered by its geographic location and having to compete in the EU market (lack of applicable mercantilism). Poles are entrepreneurial and forward thinking nation that will sooner or later become economically as prosperous as WE. We on the other hand will always be discount version of Austria/Germany.

Being a discount Austria/Germany is still better than being a discount Poland/Hungary.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

kristofferR wrote: post #74
yreg wrote: post #61

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From what I understand only a small portion of Tesla workers are on strike. It's mostly union members working at other companies and institutions who are striking. E.g. the postal office workers refused to deliver Tesla's mail which is baffling to me.

I get that proper unions are pretty baffling from a US perspective, where people don't mind having thousands peeing in bottles at work at Amazon as long as they get the spoon they ordered the next day. Us Scandinavians on the other hand find it pretty baffling that someone would just roll over to a megalomaniac who clearly states he would like to destroy what makes our countries great, our unions and working conditio…

I think you do not understand the basic fact that the people peeing in bottles are not working there against their will. As bad as it may be or sound, people choose to voluntarily work there.

But sure, go fight your fight with the megalomaniac...

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by Havelock »

stiray wrote: post #127

I think that whole thing is just a huge misunderstanding of elmu thinking that whole world works like USA. And even in USA, union members in average earn 18% more than others. On the other side, strike and unionizing is one of basic workers rights here and you just don't fight unions in EU. As you will be losing more money than if you get to an agreement with them. When elmu started his crusade against unions, I was…

Unfortunately either side can't blink. IF Metall can't back down because then other companies could get ideas to leave. And Elmu doesn't want to back down because then other countries could get ideas about unionising which would affect their bottom line.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by black_puppydog »

Havelock wrote: post #146
stiray wrote: post #127

I think that whole thing is just a huge misunderstanding of elmu thinking that whole world works like USA. And even in USA, union members in average earn 18% more than others. On the other side, strike and unionizing is one of basic workers rights here and you just don't fight unions in EU. As you will be losing more money than if you get to an agreement with them. When elmu started his crusade against unions, I was…

Unfortunately either side can't blink. IF Metall can't back down because then other companies could get ideas to leave. And Elmu doesn't want to back down because then other countries could get ideas about unionising which would affect their bottom line.

tells you a lot about where we are, if one dude is trying (and reasonably expecting) to stare down entire countries...

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

marricks wrote: post #40
andsoitis wrote: post #34

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> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

I find it funny that you think he should not be able to do whatever he wants with his companies. He bought Twitter and it was his prerogative to direct everyone there to tell him why he's not number one on that platform. He did not buy Twitter to make money.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by [deleted] »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #94
kristofferR wrote: post #89

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You are effectively saying: "It is crazy that they have an effective mechanism for ensuring good working conditions in their societies"

That's a very narrow view of the situation. It's not up for a small group of individuals to decide that for the whole society. Say they decide tmrw to not accept shipments from Israel. Why should a dock worker have disproportionate say in that?

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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by nabla9 »

e-i-o-a wrote: post #98

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More additional information that might be worth knowing especially for American friends.

Sweden (like many other countries) engages in sectoral bargaining where trade unions or labor unions make a collective agreement that covers all companies in the sector. Trade unions form confederations demarcated by occupation and they negotiate with their counterpart employer organisations to get deals that cover most of the sector. In other words, there are existing labor agreements from multiple sectors that cover millions of workers.

Tesla has the bargaining power is fly shit against unions and confederations that represent 80-90 percent of the Swedish workforce.

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