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They are though. https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=38534247
After digging in more I believe that is only done in that proof of concept. If that's the case then it's too bad they didn't go back and update the POC to avoid the need for the binary.
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It provides a much better group messaging experience than SMS (you can see who’s in a group and add and remove people), delivery/read receipts, better image quality, is encrypted (although that gets somewhat negated by automatic iCloud backups), and is free as long as a data connection is available. Of course many other messengers offer most of these features too, but for some reason, no alternative has been able to…
iMessage was heavily integrated into the ios flow when sms was the dominant mobile text messaging system. It's not special, and that's the point. It just worked the way people want texting to work as smart phones gained momentum, and iPhones have so much of the market share that it's way more irritating to use a separate messaging app when you can't change the default integration on ios. I miss the convenience of hea…
The share sheet just shows my most-frequently-used messengers, as well as direct contact names for my most important contacts, no matter what messenger they're actually on.
The only thing I can't yet do on my third-party messenger is initiate messages from my Apple Watch, but that's presumably due to a lack of a native watch app more than anything.
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They do receive spam and fraud, but the numbers are orders of magnitude less than every one’s else BECAUSE it’s tied to hardware. I don’t know the details of how’s these guys got around it, but this is bad for the rest of us when phishing skyrockets.
I don't understand what you're talking about. I get far more SMS spam on iOS than I did on Android. Whether the number uses iMessage or not is totally irrelevant.
This seems like it won't last, but it's AWESOME and I really hope you survive Apple's inevitable attempts to kill this. A universal chat application would be amazing, and will maybe help bring attention to the value of standards and interoperability (hopefully by governments/regulators).
We had universal chat applications & standards and interoperability in the 2000s. Pidgin (et al.) + libpurple allowed users to use a singular application for chat--even the proprietary protocols. We also had (& still have) XMPP from that era which many of the big boys like Google jumped on, killed, then jumped off (EEE?). Are we just repeating history ( https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-netwo...…
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You say this like Apple doesn't release OS updates. Why are you putting that as some arbitrary limiter to what Apple could do to protect its walled garden?
They don't usually remove features as important as iMessage from older iOS versions. I don't believe they push updates to the iPhone 7 and older anymore, so they'd be unable to use iMessage.
The biggest question I have is what does the exit story look like? I know it's a common problem for people switching to Android from an iPhone (keeping their phone number) and not receiving any messages from iPhones as their contacts are still trying to send via iMessage. What happens at the end of the trial when I choose it's not for me. Will I suddenly loose my ability to text with every Apple user? What about in t…
Someone else commented that you can de-register your number on Apple's site, but the person then said that it didn't work either.
So yeah, I am holding back on it to until there is more clarity about this. The overwhelming majority of people I text are on imessage and it would be a royal pain if I had to have all those people delete and re-add me.
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As we’ve learned very clearly over the last 20 years of commercialization of spam, that never works. The only tractable way to fight fraud and abuse is to impose cost.
The massive prevalence of physical junk mail would refute your argument that even a significant per message cost would dissuade abuse.
I'm willing to bet the latter is much, much higher. It certainly is for me.
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What's brilliant is they get press either way this goes down.
i understand no such thing as bad news/publicity, but if the 800lb gorilla squashes the little guy, then that's some pretty bad news. with the recent Twitt...er,X and reddit debacle with 3rd party apps, that 800lbs is pretty powerful when it wants to be edit, because i used the wrong turn of phrase
Apple could block any device without attestation then offer a discount for those on old products to upgrade. Now bad news is good news.