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Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by varispeed »

boesboes wrote: post #100

I wouldn't mind these providers being aggressive with spam filtering IF they would just bounce the messages so i know WHY. I've had so many cases where an 'email wasn't sent' by our systems and then the logs show it was accepted by outlook.com for delivery, but never even showed up in the spam folder (apparently, if customers are to be trusted). Many providers seems to do this, respond everything ok and then drop the…

That actually should be illegal practice. But it is very unlikely regulators will ever catch up with that.

It's better for governments to have just a few big email providers, so authorities have easier life if they need to snoop on someone.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

SXX wrote: post #84
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i installed MIAB like 3 years ago. had this exact same problem with outlook at the time. did the same and never have had any more problems. last year i helped someone install miab and somehow neither gmail nor outlook nor any "major" provider logged them as spam from the get go. i was truly impressed and surprised. i have heard war stories about people self hosting email and having problems. sure 3-5-10 years ago tha…

Just keep in mind that you need working reverse DNS record and not all cheap provides support it. Also cheaper hosting solutions usually have worse IP reputation.

Saving $1/month is not worth email delivery problems.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

#103

Post by stareatgoats »

pulse7 wrote: post #80

Microsoft may be using AI for spam detection and... is - of course - unable to fix it, because you can not debug a neural network (or may need months/years to debug and fix it)... So: WELCOME TO THE NEW WONDERFUL WORLD OF AI where we will not be able to fix things...

I think this is it, too. AI is efficient, but malfunctioning a fair percentage of the time. Are we going to have to accept it just because it has a number of upsides - or are we to demand that errors be brought to 0 before using it on critical systems, like email? Or in critical situations like war for that matter.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by inferiorhuman »

petemir wrote: post #10
snitch182 wrote: post #3

My private email server gets completly blocked on regular bases. They are blocking the whole ip-range of my provider. You get no response from them whatsoever. You have to fill out a form und wait a couple of days. You can however sign up for a 200$ whitelist... from a different company owned by guess who.

I worked for a company that sent travel deals newsletters everyday. Deliverability to (then) Hotmail was abysmal. We then got the recommendation of a company (cannot remember their name) that could analyse our IPs and give recommendations. Naturally, the recommendations were the ones that you could find everywhere so they were not useful, but the company did have access to MSFT's score of our IPs, so we could know wh…

  How did they have access to those internal IP scores?
When I was doing DMARC stuff professionally, plenty of big names were willing to send DMARC reports our way. Microsoft was the only company to give us full text.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

#105

Post by account42 »

freedomben wrote: post #89
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i installed MIAB like 3 years ago. had this exact same problem with outlook at the time. did the same and never have had any more problems. last year i helped someone install miab and somehow neither gmail nor outlook nor any "major" provider logged them as spam from the get go. i was truly impressed and surprised. i have heard war stories about people self hosting email and having problems. sure 3-5-10 years ago tha…

You may have gotten lucky with IP addresses. When your cloud provider gives you an IP address from the pool, it is luck of the draw whether some customer in the past got that IP address on the bad list with some mail providers. I strongly want what you say to be true, and would also encourage people to self-host email, but I want to make sure people are aware of the pits so they can avoid them or at least not have to…

With Microsoft a clean IP is not enough IME - you also need the whole block to be clean. That's not really something you can control if you have just the one IP.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

#106

Post by gorlilla »

pluc wrote: post #97

Hah! My bank did this too before I went on a trip - it blocks Interac transfer requests from Wise, and will hold your outgoing transfers until you call to validate, calling it fraud. Gotta love using your own anti-abuse processes to stifle competition, as little impact as it may have.

Ugh, we contacted Chase since we were going on an 'out-of-the-ordinary' road trip.spoke with fraud dept and gave them our travel itinerary, hoping to prevent cards from being frozen while we were in questionable cell coverage areas.

Everything went fine until the last gas stop before arriving to our destination... only to find our cards frozen anyhow.

It took about 25 mins to get cleared up, but these big corps are so heavily dependent on automation, they can't deviate because the system will take its own actions anyhow.

I, for one, am tired of living in a society that somehow isn't able to routinely think/behave proactively rather than reacting only once "the system will let you".

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by account42 »

snitch182 wrote: post #3

My private email server gets completly blocked on regular bases. They are blocking the whole ip-range of my provider. You get no response from them whatsoever. You have to fill out a form und wait a couple of days. You can however sign up for a 200$ whitelist... from a different company owned by guess who.

Same experience. Thankfully I am in a position where I can just tell Microsoft mail users use a different provider or pound sand.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by nottorp »

ale42 wrote: post #31
fragmede wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah no. Emails which include an unsubscribe link are legit enough to not do that. Actual spammers don't bother to include an unsubscribe link.

Not really true. Many spams (at least in the past) used to include unsubscribe link, either for faked-legal-compliance, to give some illusion of legitimacy of the mail/originating company to the recipient, and/or to track who is actually receiving them. But if you landed in a mailing list, there are quite high changes that the unsubscribe link is legit.

The unsubscribe link is legit, but how did I end up on the list? I've never ever signed up for something with the goal of receiving marketing emails. I've never given explicit permission to receive marketing emails.

So if you send me a marketing email, it's spam because I didn't ask for it. It may be legal but that doesn't impress me.

Re: Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from Tutanota.com Domain as Spam

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Post by wiredfool »

boesboes wrote: post #100

I wouldn't mind these providers being aggressive with spam filtering IF they would just bounce the messages so i know WHY. I've had so many cases where an 'email wasn't sent' by our systems and then the logs show it was accepted by outlook.com for delivery, but never even showed up in the spam folder (apparently, if customers are to be trusted). Many providers seems to do this, respond everything ok and then drop the…

Been there, done that. This is be a nightmare, mainly for back scatter from spam runs.

You can’t control who sends email that looks like it’s from you. If your email were bounced because of a spf or dkim failure, you could get an unlimited number of emails.

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