An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

> What counts as “safety”? Which places in the world are truly safe for LGBTQIA+ community? How much of a city, or state, or country needs to be LGBTQIA+ hostile for the whole of it to be declared unworthy of PSF support?

What a cheap shot. You don't need a safetyometer or something to determine that a country where same sex relationship is punishable by life imprisonment is unsafe for homosexuals or bisexuals.

Re: An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

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Post by andrewstuart » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 11:34 AM UTC

Why do “open letters” get so much more respect and attention than an ordinary whining email? The headline “A whining email to ” would be ignored. Change it to “open letter” and it’s instant gravitas.

Seems to be the same sort of magic words as ”considered harmful”……. instantly credible and worthy of consideration.

I really should frame all of my grumbles about the state of the world as “open letters” so people pay attention.

Re: An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

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Post by dilawar » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 11:37 AM UTC

Takennickname wrote: post #3

It's a grant, not an entitlement.

True but I'd have appreciated if they said no to the grant earlier.

I hope Python Africa has learnt it lesson and will find ways to manage resources locally. That the only way to succeed in long run.

Re: An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

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Post by gwd » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 11:38 AM UTC

Takennickname wrote: post #3

It's a grant, not an entitlement.

Then say "no" quickly so that they can look for other funding. [EDIT] And be honest about the fact that Africans (or more charitably, countries that have particular laws or a particular pattern of enforcement) Need Not Apply.

Re: An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

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Post by anewhnaccount2 » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 11:38 AM UTC

Stonewalling, delaying and simply not responding can be so much worse when they play out in real situations than people might imagine. You can waste a lot of the other person's time this way. We might hear a lot of justifications like "whoops" or "volunteers!" but the supposed deniability of such tactics is part of what makes them so exasperating and emotionally draining to deal with. I will withhold a final judgement until hearing the other side but it really looks like the PSF has a lot to answer for here.

Re: An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

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Post by raverbashing » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 11:39 AM UTC

ayhanfuat wrote: post #5

> What counts as “safety”? Which places in the world are truly safe for LGBTQIA+ community? How much of a city, or state, or country needs to be LGBTQIA+ hostile for the whole of it to be declared unworthy of PSF support? What a cheap shot. You don't need a safetyometer or something to determine that a country where same sex relationship is punishable by life imprisonment is unsafe for homosexuals or bisexuals.

Correct. They kinda said the quiet part out loud there

At the same time, heck, the issue of 'regular safety' should not be downplayed.

Yes, some places in the west are worrying as well, but not usually at the same level. (And yes at a certain point I wouldn't advocate for a conference "anywhere" in SF without a certain risk management)