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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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If in the data sent across (via Apple servers) the IMEI and serial no of the device are also transmitted, then Apple can in that millisecond query on their various lists/inventories that this device is legit (activated device + IMEI + serial) and if all lights are green, proceed to deliver, otherwise drop it. (perhaps different sets of data can be used, but it must be something that Apple already has, and the user ha…

Do you mean that I now have a nice party trick - DoSing friends iPhone from sending iMessage? :)

If you have a FlipperZero, DoSing iPhone users with Bluetooth is a bit of fun!

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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One prominent counterexample to this thesis is DRM circumvention software, which regularly gets taken down via DMCA notices. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple even invokes that particular law.

"Section 1201 provides for felony liability for anyone commercially engaged in bypassing a DRM system: 5 years in prison and a $500,000 fine for a first offense." So it's even worse than the risk of being taken down. Way worse. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/10/drms-dead-canary-how-w...

iMessage is not DRM. It is not protecting IP.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Here you go - refer.beeper.com/39gJJ0

Possible to generate another ? Says invalid code Edit: I mean a code for Beeper Mini on Android - not desktop

> Says invalid code

Well yeah it was already used and you came 3 hours after the fact.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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I recently paid >$1000 for the privilege of access to iMessage when switching from Android to iPhone. I'd have been _much_ happier staying on my preferred operating system and paying $24/yr. (iMessage has, for me, actually been worth it - but still, I frequently find myself wishing that something like Beeper Mini existed so I could go back to android).

What do you prefer about Android?

How about not being in a walled garden and actually having access to your device?

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Exactly what I thought

But EU interoperability laws are cancelled out by DMCA (aka EUCD). That’s why reading a DVD with VLC has always been “technically” illegal. If Apple is able to update the protocol in such a way that it requires some kind of signed attestation from the secure enclave (basically a DRM) they’ll get legal protection. Also. Nobody uses iMessage in the EU. It’s all WhatsApp here. Blue bubbles are an American obsession.

The recently enacted DMA requires interoperability. Unless Apple wins its case against iMessage being classified as a gatekeeper service, it'll be required to support interoperability. I'd be surprised if tricks like hardware attestation were compliant, unless Apple allowed other companies' hardware.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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what does this mean? plenty of 3rd party signal clients exist (flare being a well-known one); signal explicitly factored out a libsignal presumably to _encourage_ this. i’ve run multiple 3rd-party signal clients, even alongside the official apps, and never seen any problems or warnings. [flare]: https://gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/flare

>what does this mean? Moxie (Signal's founder) has thrown fits in the past over the existence of third-party clients using their servers: https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issueco...

By calling that a “fit” it sounds like you’ve an axe to grind.

That was pretty damn polite for a heated mailing list discussion.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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This seems like it won't last, but it's AWESOME and I really hope you survive Apple's inevitable attempts to kill this. A universal chat application would be amazing, and will maybe help bring attention to the value of standards and interoperability (hopefully by governments/regulators).

>A universal chat application would be amazing

It would be, however would not bet my chatting account history on a phone number. Phone number does get lost over time. Email is more reliable, but may be a private key for authentication instead. Also a modern day chat app, one would expect to have chatting over bluetooth as well Internet such as Briar, and chatting over Tor such as Quite would be much more needed.

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