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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by olliej »

triangleman83 wrote: post #438
olliej wrote: post #279

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No it's not. Running a service costs money. That money has to come from somewhere. Google makes that money by spying on people and using that for ads. Apple makes that money by selling hardware. You're saying that both companies should be required to provide the services they render, but apple's model of paying for it by selling hardware should be banned. Also, go talk to someone who has bought a new car, and ask the…

I do have a spare iPhone in a drawer, still works and can message on iMessage. There, I have purchased Apple hardware, now can I use iMessage on my Android phone?

No.

For the same reason that if you buy a game for xbox, and then when you later buy a playstation you can't turn around and demand that MS port the various xbox services to the playstation, or a publisher port an xbox game to playstation.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by olliej »

freedomben wrote: post #232
olliej wrote: post #164

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RCS isn't encrypted, doesn't work without phones, doesn't have a single identity across multiple devices, etc so it's not going to replace iMessage.

RCS can be encrypted. Whether Apple chooses to do so is yet to be seen of course, but I'm guessing they will reserve encryption for "blue bubbles."

Yes, as a non-standard google extension that is not guaranteed to be present.

To illustrate the issue, imagine apple added support for "encrypted RCS" that was just iMessage's message blob stuck in an RCS blob (this is essentially how google's encrypted messaging solution works). Would you be ok with that being presented as "encrypted RCS"?

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by olliej »

addandsubtract wrote: post #229
olliej wrote: post #164

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RCS isn't encrypted, doesn't work without phones, doesn't have a single identity across multiple devices, etc so it's not going to replace iMessage.

If only there was an encrypted chat service, that works on multiple devices, has a single identity across all of them, etc. Oh well, guess we'll all have to buy iPhones to use iMessage.

Correct! There are numerous options available across a wide variety of platforms, and yet people obsess specifically over iMessage because of perceived (and seemingly US only?) obsession with blue bubbles.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by Urgo »

ilteris wrote: post #595

It is normal these days to have login with buttons BEFORE the subscription info? I mean I wouldn't even try to download if I knew there was a monthly subscription fee. Thanks

100% this. I don't really care about the whole bubble thing. I just though oh cool, let me try this and find some iphone user to see if it works. Downloaded, auth'd my google account which was the only option which is not right either... and then bam, paywall. Yes it does say it costs $1.99/mo almost at the bottom of the linked page, but I 100% would not have downloaded this if I knew that up front. And absolutely would not have auth'd my google account.

There 100% should be a message BEFORE logging in that has the pricing. And allow for actual email signups too, not google or any other 3rd party logins.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by abhibeckert »

classicmotto wrote: post #696

If this is a standalone app (not requiring ongoing server/relay maintenances), why charge a monthly fee and not a one-time fee?

Why charge $10, when you can charge $10 per month?

But seriously, Beeper does have server side components. They're just optional ones. If you don't pay, you don't get those features.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by Wintereise »

lyton wrote: post #684
striking wrote: post #73

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Happy Beeper customer and original poster here to tell you: Beeper Cloud is already out there and works really well! It's also free, though you'll have to get through the waitlist somehow. It doesn't perfectly replace every app just yet but it covers the most important functionality extremely well. And it's available on mobile as well as desktop devices.

Do you mind giving me a referral for Beeper?

Here you go - refer.beeper.com/39gJJ0

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by keepamovin »

graphe wrote: post #674
keepamovin wrote: post #673

https://blog.beeper.com/p/how-beeper-mini-works Very cool. A question: will you be revenue sharing with JJTech0130? Their work made this possible, correct?

This project is licensed under the terms of the SSPL. Portions of this project are based on macholibre by Aaron Stephens under the Apache 2.0 license. This project has been purchased by Beeper, please contact them with any questions about licensing. They seemed to comply with the SSPL as well.

Nice! Glad they took care of it.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by Miner49er »

TheDong wrote: post #669
cvwright wrote: post #121

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Can you explain more about the suspected CFAA violation?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Inc._v._3Taps_Inc . The CFAA says that "having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access [is a federal crime]". The courts held that 3Taps scraping the Craigslist website was accessing a computer and exceeding authorized access because it should have been obvious to 3taps that craigslist did not authorize them to scrape their websit…

The Supreme Court has significantly weakened the CFAA since then in Van Buren. The weakened version might not apply.
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