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Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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This is the same reason i've stopped answering and asking questions on stack overview, except the toxic culture is coming from the moderators.

> the toxic culture is coming from the moderators

And the moderators are given free reign to behave that way _because_ of so-called "toxic behavior" from the users.

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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>I just think it will die because everything else that was wonderful from 2009 or before already has Assuming this is true, what are the leading hypotheses? Regression to the mean? Eternal September? I know everyone likes to talk about "enshittification", but what is the actual mechanism? Since this is HN, someone's going to say "capitalism", but "capitalism" doesn't explain why Google search results get worse or Fac…

Oh that's easy. Dotcom Boom and Bust ended one era of the web right around 9/11, and you get a weird era between 2001 and the release of the iPhone where there's a lot of content posted on Newgrounds or flash game portals like Miniclip. An era where people still got information from Magazines and got demo discs, and people were discouraged from sharing their real name or personal information online instead of being r…

That's honestly a really interesting point, I never thought about it but there was something magical about the Flash era

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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When did they change that policy?

They never did. You can't use YOUR OWN work as a source, but you can use primary sources.

> You can't use YOUR OWN work

Bad rule, I'd just use an alt or not my own name.

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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Many years ago I got called an idiot for suggesting an extremely specific and extremely irrelevant article get deleted. I haven't bothered to contribute since. Clearly Wikipedia is full of very stable geniuses and don't need contributions from the common folk.

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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> A culture develops to create a power structure that favors those who have devoted a large portion of their personal identity to the success of the organization. This culture serves as a moat against anyone who would integrate themselves within the organization and attempt drastic changes that would disrupt the existing power balance or pose an existential threat to the organization. That pretty much directly descri…

Are you talking about Quora?

And/or Stack

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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Idea of centralized and universal interpenetration of information soon or later bump into boundaries. By definition, it's impossible approach. Interpretation vary with knowledge, culture and is shaped by politics, religion, regime, etc.

That's why you don't interpret it, just list it: encyclopedically.

That’s literally impossible.

You’re consciousness trapped in meat, everything you experience is an interpretation of your environment and entirely subject to that meat.

“The Republican Party exists” is an interpretation of each word, and is controversial on some axis. “2” is a concept, it literally does not exist outside of the mind.

This is to say: your desire for objectivity has failed, the best we can ever get are “well defined and explained rationalizations that many people agree with”.

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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To some degree you see this pattern repeated over and over anytime you have an organization gain any sort of longevity. A culture develops to create a power structure that favors those who have devoted a large portion of their personal identity to the success of the organization. This culture serves as a moat against anyone who would integrate themselves within the organization and attempt drastic changes that would…

I agree. Is there any way to "inoculate" organisation to prevent this failure mode?

BDFL that recognizes that that is a problem and refuses to allow it to happen, regardless of any personal pain it causes them.

Example: Guido van Rossum

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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Genuine Q: what do you find "wrong" about Ada Lovelace's article as it stands today? To me it looks scrupulously fair about her contributions and the amount of disagreement on what exactly she did "first", which seems to account for 99% of the talk page wrangling. Lovelace's notes are important in the early history of computers, especially since the seventh one contained what many consider to be the first computer pr…

I don't have any issues with the article as it stands today. But earlier revisions had uncritically claimed that she had written the first computer programs. Hence the massive Talk thread.

See the article about who created the internet.

Packet switching was invented in the UK by Donald Davies, yet somehow it’s always the Americans that get sole credit for the internet. :)

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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> A culture develops to create a power structure that favors those who have devoted a large portion of their personal identity to the success of the organization. This culture serves as a moat against anyone who would integrate themselves within the organization and attempt drastic changes that would disrupt the existing power balance or pose an existential threat to the organization. That pretty much directly descri…

Are you talking about Quora?

I read it to mean Stack Overflow, whose drop in traffic has been widely discussed. But it could be Quora or other sites--effectively validating OP's original point.

Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia

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I consider Wikipedia to be the last standing wonder of the WWW (world wide web). - Google search results get worse every year. - Stackoverflow lies in ruins (albeit the ruins are still useful). - ICQ/Gtalk/AIM completely dead and all in silos now (Slack). - Twitter is dead. - Facebook is too annoying now. Google Maps is still amazing, but I consider that more a miracle of the internet as opposed to a miracle of the W…

> So why not Wikipedia? - Cheap to host, just text and images - Funded by non-profit with too much funding - All images are permissively licensed - Easily archived - Easily forked The only potential "death" I can ever see happening to Wikipedia is the kind that happens from some kind of fracturing, similar to what we often see with fan wikis. But this kind of outcome could be a good thing really, multiple competing W…

> - Cheap to host, just text and images

I doubt it's cheap at this level of traffic.

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