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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by tredre3 »

autoexec wrote: post #98
carlosjobim wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should that be their right? If somebody is watching a ton of Vincent's videos, but chooses to send donations to Clara that he watches much less, is that fair?

Vincent and Clara's videos are offered for free and there is zero obligation for anyone to pay either of them anything whether it be money, time, attention, or engagement. If someone who spends less of their time watching Clara's videos chooses to support Clara because they value her content more than Vincent's, or because they feel like Clara needs the money more than Vincent does, or for any other reason that's ent…

And, likewise, Youtube is free to send the bytes to only the people they want. If they don't want to serve video data to people who use adblocks, it's their right.

You are then free to try to work around it, the same way Youtube is trying to work around your adblocker.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by superfrank »

endisneigh wrote: post #70

Imagine valuing your time so little you waste it trying to block instead of just abstaining or using premium. When Facebook started being user hostile I stopped using it wholesale. Anti Google YouTube folks haven’t gotten the message yet. If you make 25 an hour - the bottom decile wage for software engineering - and waste more than half an hour on this a month, idk what to say. That’s a minute a day. Chop chop. By th…

I get the impression that a lot of the people making a stink over this are teens or people in their early 20s who have plenty of time and not a lot of disposable income. I can't help but think back to my days as a broke high school/college kid torrenting music and movies when I spent more time than I care to admit downloading and labeling mp3 files when everything I wanted was available on iTunes for a price.

Some people are in a place where time isn't their most valuable commodity.

I'm not really defending them because, personally, I think the whole thing is stupid. Youtube doesn't owe anyone anything. If you don't like their policy go somewhere else. I'm just saying that for some people it is worth their time.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by tredre3 »

ath3nd wrote: post #112
Analemma_ wrote: post #62

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This goes both ways though. If it's not theft to not watch the ads, it's not "anticompetitive" to not serve you the video if they think you're blocking ads. What "competition" are they even blocking? The competitors who are just waiting to jump in and do exascale video hosting for free, forever, to users who bring in no revenue? Either accept the cat-and-mouse game, pay for YT premium, or stop using YouTube. Complain…

> to users who bring in no revenue? Oh, sweet summer child, they already have been monetizing their users browsing behavior and selling it to advertisers. It's their main business > Complaining that Google is somehow wronging you by not giving you the free video hosting you're entitled to is asinine. Google are using our browsing and video watching data already. That's enough (and has been enough over many years) for…

> Google are using our browsing and video watching data already.

Why do you think that data is valuable? Because it can better target ads to you. Ads that you then block. Making the data worthless...

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by carlosjobim »

autoexec wrote: post #98
carlosjobim wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should that be their right? If somebody is watching a ton of Vincent's videos, but chooses to send donations to Clara that he watches much less, is that fair?

Vincent and Clara's videos are offered for free and there is zero obligation for anyone to pay either of them anything whether it be money, time, attention, or engagement. If someone who spends less of their time watching Clara's videos chooses to support Clara because they value her content more than Vincent's, or because they feel like Clara needs the money more than Vincent does, or for any other reason that's ent…

I think the current YT Premium model is more fair, creators get paid more the more you watch them. I'm glad it works like this instead of pandering to donations. Anywhere I've looked, I've seen the donations model been a complete failure. Usually I am the only person or one of less than 10 that donates to an OSS project with thousands and thousands of users. People just don't donate to things that are important and useful to them. Likewise with YouTube, nobody will donate to well-made instructional videos or original news reporting, but they will donate to e-girls or gamers because they want to feel associated with those people. So I'm glad that creators are not forced to depend on donations.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by [deleted] »

blitz_skull wrote: post #35
crazygringo wrote: post #22

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I don't really see how a business blocking ad blockers is having a tantrum. That makes about as much sense as saying a store hiring a security guard to reduce theft is having a tantrum.

Bad metaphor. No one is stealing anything from YouTube. Meanwhile a tantrum is a display of socially unacceptable behavior because you don’t like something. Very much a tantrum.

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jsnell »

ath3nd wrote: post #88
Gigachad wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would competition even work? How could any company succeed proving a product to a user base that doesn’t watch ads and doesn’t pay for the service? Would be like proving an alternative to cater to shoplifters.

What you wrote is like: "Hey fellow hackers. I am a hacker myself and I totally don't work for Google. Ads are good, mkay?" Bruh, dunno what planet you live on and how brainwashed you have to be to think blocking ads is theft. It's like getting a fine when there are ads on the radio and you change the station, or ads on the TV and you changing the channel. It's your device, it's the creator's content, and Youtube fac…

> However, monetizing the trove of data they have on you is not enough for them.

How do you think they're monetizing your data? By definition it's not by showing you ads, you're blocking them. Also not by using the data to make their paid service so good that you'll really want to subscribe, since you obviously are entitled to the service for free.

The reality is that your data is worthless, and your use of the service is a liability rather than an asset. And you'll be equally worthless to any competitor, which was the GP's actual point.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by rtsil »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #57

Youtube seems to me to be a bullshit test platform. They will work around ad blockers and continue to pile on repetitive and banal adverts that have nothing to do with the user until they reach breaking point (where people flee and seek alternatives), and then they will relax their system to show marginally less bullshit. The confusing part of this battle is the app users, who do not agree with the avalanche of adver…

This could be simply a coincidence, but it's possible they already relax their system based on user behavior.

I used to watch YT through the TV app until the ads became insanely outrageous (six unskippable ads for a 10 min video, including two ads one minute after the video has started). Then I just bought a mini pc and plugged it in the TV and everything was fine (except for HDR that for some reason doesn't work) and without ads.

Then a couple of weeks ago I opened the YT app on TV and it was actually a much better experience than before: skippable ads, no ads on some videos. As if they're trying to lure me to use it again.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Johnythree »

carlosjobim wrote: post #68
Gigachad wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would competition even work? How could any company succeed proving a product to a user base that doesn’t watch ads and doesn’t pay for the service? Would be like proving an alternative to cater to shoplifters.

"The government should pay people to make videos and then distribute them for free" in 3...2...1...

Many countries have Public Service Broadcasting.

In Australia there is ABC, SBS, Community Broadcasting Foundation, Channel 31, etc,

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by throw0101b »

ehaliewicz2 wrote: post #32
crazygringo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see how a business blocking ad blockers is having a tantrum. That makes about as much sense as saying a store hiring a security guard to reduce theft is having a tantrum.

There is no theft when I use youtube because I was never going to click on ads in the first place. The value of me watching ads is absolutely zero. (From my point of view in fact, it's negative).

> There is no theft when I use youtube because I was never going to click on ads in the first place.

Advertising works on multiple levels, with direct sales not necessarily being the only acceptable result:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase_funnel

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by ath3nd »

endisneigh wrote: post #70

Imagine valuing your time so little you waste it trying to block instead of just abstaining or using premium. When Facebook started being user hostile I stopped using it wholesale. Anti Google YouTube folks haven’t gotten the message yet. If you make 25 an hour - the bottom decile wage for software engineering - and waste more than half an hour on this a month, idk what to say. That’s a minute a day. Chop chop. By th…

Or how about no, and instead of just rolling over and paying for bad behavior, we fight for a free, open internet.

Youtube/Google make enough money monetizing our usage data. Now that they have cornered the market (i.e locking in the users), they are using their dominant position to crank up the prices and enshittify the free experience. That's anti-competitive practices, and they shouldn't be encouraged for that but punished instead.

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