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Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

#121

I'll let you in on the secret to finding a job. It's not about your skills really (maybe some), it's about who you know. If you're relying on only your skill to carry you through to finding a job, you're going to have a rough time. It's about who you know. You're looking for a job? Go to meetups, code and coffees, free tech seminars by companies etc. That's your job now. Connect with people on LinkedIn. There are ver…

> It's not about your skills really, it's about who you know I've been hearing people give this advice my entire life, which is about a half century now. It's never been true for me. Roughly half the jobs I've had in my life I've gotten through a referral and the other half I've gotten "cold" by just applying to an open req and being the best candidate that applied. By FAR the best jobs I've had were the ones where I…

> It's never been true for me.

> Roughly half the jobs I've had in my life I've gotten through a referral

Someone needed to know you well enough to make the referral.

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

#122
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consistently found the opposite - I did alter some past titles, but moving from a management role to a lead/senior IC role opened up opportunities (I ended up not taking them). It also potentially eases transitions between industries. It will definitely raise a question, so if you go that route, it’s useful to figure out what your explanation is. But if you’re staring at depleted savings, it’s a potential path.

Moving from management to senior IC isn’t really a downgrade though. It’s a lateral move

Really depends on the company, in my experience. They should be lateral, but especially larger/older companies, the path from, for instance, analyst->sr analyst->manager is pretty defined, and there’s not often a separate path to a “lead” IC role at the same rate as the manager.

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

#123

What is your stack? There are areas with more opportunities than others that may be worth considering a stack shift. I have been in the market since 2006, and I have seen it go up and down; I've never been unemployed since, but I have close friends who run over one year without a job (In Brazil, we usually have financial crises here more often), at that time their option was to do freelancing for a while until they f…

> There are areas with more opportunities than others that may be worth considering a stack shift.

Such as?

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

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post #102

I work in the DC tech scene. People kind of overlook it, but it pays well and the job security is very high, thanks to the DOD and DHS budgets. I'm gratefully working on something that I'm not ethically concerned with (as I might be at DOD). I also got lucky and landed with a company that felt more like a startup for a long time, though recently is feeling a bit more corporate. There's no equity, so I'm not making $3…

> I work in the DC tech scene. People kind of overlook it

Well, yeah. Most jobs require a security clearance, which could take years to obtain. Unless, of course, your current employer is willing to help you with the process.

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ai can definitely put most middle management out of work too. Jira tickets, status updates, and meeting summaries are all going to be relatively low hanging fruit for lm apps.

If you think that’s all what a manager does, you had bad managers. People managers, I mean.

I think it's still not optimistic for managers. Think that management is mostly necessary to deal with difficult devs. A team of good devs doesn't really need a manager.

And if AI replaces all the low tier devs, it follows the demand for management declines as well.

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

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post #63

I just stopped working for other people/company, I only work for myself. Any kind of anxiety disappeared just after I learned how to survive by myself.

Freelance? Would be curious to hear about your experience getting into it if you're interested in sharing.

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

#128

I wrote an easy apply bot that speeds up my applications ten fold by removing a bunch of the tedium. I applied to like 500 jobs yesterday. Haven't heard back from a single one but I'm going to spend the next 20 days and apply for 10,000 jobs to give the job market a fair shake before trying something else. Feel free to use/submit P.R.s/help out. https://github.com/0foo/easy_apply_bot

Spamming applications doesn't work. You usually need some sort of connection to the company even if its tenuous.

Used to not be the case!

I guess those of us with no connections anymore are out of luck.

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

#129

I'll let you in on the secret to finding a job. It's not about your skills really (maybe some), it's about who you know. If you're relying on only your skill to carry you through to finding a job, you're going to have a rough time. It's about who you know. You're looking for a job? Go to meetups, code and coffees, free tech seminars by companies etc. That's your job now. Connect with people on LinkedIn. There are ver…

> It's not about your skills really, it's about who you know I've been hearing people give this advice my entire life, which is about a half century now. It's never been true for me. Roughly half the jobs I've had in my life I've gotten through a referral and the other half I've gotten "cold" by just applying to an open req and being the best candidate that applied. By FAR the best jobs I've had were the ones where I…

> being the best candidate that applied.

Not to burst your bubble but there’s a near 100% chance you’re wrong about this.

Remember that the goal of hiring isn’t to hire the best person who applies.

The goal is to hire somebody who can do the job at the wage that’s offered. The best person might reject an offer or not even get one in the first place.

Re: Ask HN: How are you dealing with the job market anxiety?

#130

1. Read this great "Surviving A Layoff" essay [1] and build a plan for yourself. 2. Take the time to level up on one or two foundational skills whose barriers to entry are combinations of tenacity and intelligence, or tech stacks that are very close to a foundational skill. Something like "Fart App Framework" is not a foundational skill because it becomes obsolete in a very short amount of time. Things like mathemati…

> 2. Take the time to level up on one or two foundational skills whose barriers to entry are combinations of tenacity and intelligence, or tech stacks that are very close to a foundational skill. Something like "Fart App Framework" is not a foundational skill because it becomes obsolete in a very short amount of time. Things like mathematics, statistics, hard sciences, cryptography, security, etc. will carry you through the rest of your career and create a moat.

I've understood this for a long time, and especially over the last year of unemployment it's seemed more and more relevant, but I've never been able to figure out how to do it.

The thing about building your career on "Fart App Framework" is that it's feasible to break into it no matter your background. This sector of software development does not have a lot of gate-keeping, not only in the sense of academic credentials, but also in the availability of entry level work. It's not uncommon for someone to be able spend some time learning "Fart App Framework" to the point where a company considers them skilled enough to employ them.

But for most of the suggested foundational skills I don't think I've ever seen entry level work available. I've definitely seen jobs for developers in the hard sciences, statistics, etc., but more than often they're looking for an established domain expert, with an established history in a particular niche. My understanding is that the early experience in these industries is gained through things like getting the right internship or going through the academic post-grad grind, things not usually accessible to people outside of academic institutions.

To expand a little more concretely, I've occasionally seen over time job listings in some of the suggested areas. Most commonly, I see jobs looking for a developer in [hard science]. The impression I get from most of these jobs is that they're looking for "[hard science] PhD who can write code" or at least "Developer with 10+ years of experience writing code for [hard science]". The often tend to be more specialized that just [hard science]. While I could hypothetically spend years of my life trying to learn and work on projects in [hard science], at the end of the day without any relevant degree, "real experience", and with my professional history (and thus majority of my resume) screaming "Fart App Framework developer" am I really ever going to be competitive with people who do have those things? The market is much smaller than that for Fart App Framework developers anyway. I've focused in hard science here, but I think the same about mathematics, statistics, cryptography, etc.

Security seems to be the biggest outlier. I don't want to waste too much space talking about security work and its many forms, but in any form, it seems to be much more accessible for people without a "correct" background, more like general software development.

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