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23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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This is tin-foil hat nonsense.

It is becoming far easier than you are aware then. Sam Harris and Rob Reid discussed in length a few years ago. https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/spe...

>Rob Reid is a podcaster, author, and tech investor, and was a long-time tech entrepreneur

Ah yeah, exactly who you should go to for bio-engineering advice

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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This won't change until our government starts punishing (not 10M fines) hacked companies for leaking private data.

You can't punish a corporation, it is a collective and most members of it are worker bees told what to do without a big picture. You have to punish the members of the C-Suite individually if any change is to be seen.

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Would it materially impact your life to send me a video each time you use the restroom? Probably not, but that doesn’t mean you’re comfortable with it being shared.

That counts, can you show an example of this data being used in that way? In literally any way at all, has this data actually been used for anything?

It's being sold illegally on the dark web; how do you propose we tell you how it's being used?

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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That counts, can you show an example of this data being used in that way? In literally any way at all, has this data actually been used for anything?

It's being sold illegally on the dark web; how do you propose we tell you how it's being used?

When something actually happens.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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Please provide one concrete example where this leaked information was used to materially impact someone's life that would not have otherwise been possible without the leak. Absent that, the argument holds that screeching declarations about privacy tend to be overblown.

Goalposts keep being pushed: * You don't have to care about privacy if you didn't do anything illegal. * If you do care about it, you can just choose not to share your information. * If you don't share but your data is still leaked, it didn't affect your life anyway. The point is an average person is incapable of having boundaries with these corporations who have all their data and benefit from it, and we have no way…

This is the first time you and I have spoken in our lives; it's impossible for me to have moved any goalposts.

The point is that these privacy claims are nearly exclusively theoretical. Privacy advocates constantly tell anyone who will listen about the complete destruction of privacy in modern society, and yet nothing even resembling the consequences they claim will occur is actually happening.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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I think the more common one I've heard is "Why do you care about privacy if you have nothing to hide?" In the case of 23andme, it's a perfect answer: We don't know what's hiding in our DNA and I don't know how people will use that against me in the future.

So, the reason for privacy is because the profit motive of capitalism is not sufficiently restrained as to protect citizens from being abused by corporations?

Capitalism bad!

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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How do I know they didn't use them? They already did something with my biological samples (storing for a different purpose than when they drew my blood) without my consent nor informing me. And also - could eg. police use it?

I am not sure, only guessing. But why would they ask for permission in the firs place? > They already did something with my biological samples I can only guess you were tested for something in the hospital. Samples are sent to the lab (separate department) to be tested. If additional tests need to be perform they can use the blood they already received. The samples are kept for ready availability if additional tests…

They asked for permission because if you want to use data a hospital already has stored for another use, you need to contact the patient to get additional consent (you already gave them consent to collect and keep the sample).

See https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/regulations-and-policy/guidance/faq... under "Should the initial consent ... be repeated or supplemented?" and I think this is the law: (45 CFR 46.116(b)(5)).

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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So, the reason for privacy is because the profit motive of capitalism is not sufficiently restrained as to protect citizens from being abused by corporations?

Capitalism bad!

Exploitation good!

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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I never seriously considered using 23 and me. Not because of hackers, but rather what government would do with that information. I don't want to be responsible for some random relative getting charged with a crime just because I was curious about my family tree.

Have they used these sorts of databases to charge things other than murder and rape? The cases I have seen solved by way of this technology, I would very much feel glad that something I did led to stopping someone doing seriously bad things.

If you give the government the power to act, it's only a matter of time until they exercise that power.
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