> Blue bubbles on Android
I don't get it, what's the obsession with blue bubbles? I like my grey bubbles, they're less eye-piercing.
If you want blue bubbles just use Facebook Messenger.
Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
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We're talking about a company that changes CPU architectures for their ecosystem every few years, completely seamlessly. If redesigning their entire authentication and delivery strategy is what it will take to mitigate this problem, Apple will do it.
What problem? Increased compatibility?
One man's increased compatibility is another's security vulnerability.
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Beeper Cloud uses a Mac in the middle then I would have assumed that is actually permitted, as its presumably a legitimate iMessage client and some software to forward your messages after that. It seems similar to the parallel of iOS builds where its been possible to do so with virtualized MacOS on non-Mac hardware for a long time but its a violation of the TOS of MacOS to do so. Apple does spend effort ensuring t…
Apple or Meta (WhatsApp) trying to take down something like this would almost certainly be viewed unfavorably by the ever-lurking EU regulators.
That's the only reason I'm not confident that Apple will kill this. They wouldn't want the regulatory attention and (at least for now) this is a niche area that few people know about.
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
#284Isn’t iMessage, amongst other things, the subject of some upcoming EU reg forcing it to be cross platform (or at least make APIs accessible)?
Thus, preceding the need of Beeper Mini.
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Maybe that would be obvious to the average Apple user, but as a non-Apple user, it would never occur to me that I'd have to explicitly de-register my phone number with Apple after activating a new phone.
That seems okay? It's only applicable to the Apple user to begin with.
heh, fair point. I was mainly thinking about somebody dipping a toe in or trying out an iphone for a little bit before switching back
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
#286Isn’t iMessage, amongst other things, the subject of some upcoming EU reg forcing it to be cross platform (or at least make APIs accessible)? Thus, preceding the need of Beeper Mini.
I think you meant to write “preempting”.
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
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From Apple's perspective, yes. Social pressure to buy Apple devices to use Apple's messaging app is part of Apple's marketing strategy. Apple also claims that blocking devices by serial number or similar unique hardware identifiers is a key part of its anti-spam strategy. If true, an end-run around that will likely create problems for users as well.
Isn't apple implementing full RCS support next year?
Not encryption, apparently. And the blue iMessage bubbles indicate encryption, so RCS bubbles will be green.
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
#288Very interesting. I was under the impression that Apple used hardware keys to validate iMessage accounts. But it seems that this is able to talk directly to Apple without and Apple hardware? In the post it just says that you need to send and receive a SMS to register.
I would have also made that assumption, but I have to admit I'm not surprised it doesn't. IIRC, iMessage was introduced with iOS 5, which supported iPhone 3GS. The secure enclave didn't show up until iPhone 5S which shipped with iOS 7.
ah interesting, so Beeper's days may be numbered by when Apple drops support for older devices. But if they can grow quick enough then they'll have enough users that Apple can't quietly nail them and stuff their body into a dumpster.
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
From Apple's perspective, yes. Social pressure to buy Apple devices to use Apple's messaging app is part of Apple's marketing strategy. Apple also claims that blocking devices by serial number or similar unique hardware identifiers is a key part of its anti-spam strategy. If true, an end-run around that will likely create problems for users as well.
Isn't apple implementing full RCS support next year?
I think so, but something makes me think they're not going to do it in a way that gives RCS users full parity with iMessage users.