Will? I'd be surprised if NSA etc hadn't been using AI for years now.
AI and Mass Spying
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
People are building that alongside/within this community, eg at Palantir, for many years now YC CEO is also ex Palantir, early employee. Another YC partner backs other invasive police surveillance tech currently. They love this stuff financially and politically.
What's different this time around is that there are multiple democratic governments pushing to block end-to-end encryption technologies, and specifically to insert AI models that will read private messages. Initially these will only be designed to search for heinous content, but the precedent is pretty worrying.
That's been the case for a long while. It's getting worse fast!
Btw you say that about their initial design but I think you mean that may be the budget allocation justification without actually being a meaningful functional requirement during the design phase
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#143I think another aspect of this is mass criminal law enforcement enabled by AI. Many of our criminal laws are written with the implicit assumption that it takes resources to investigate and prosecute a crime, and that this will limit the effective scope of the law. Prosecutorial discretion. Putting aside for the moment the (very serious) injustice that comes with the inequitable use of prosecutorial discretion, let's…
You miss the part that people who get access to stronger AI can similarly use it to improve their odds of not being found or getting better outcomes, while the poor guy gets fined for AI hallucinations and doesn't have the money to get to a human like the court is now one big Google support.
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#144"Bitcoin will enable terrorism"
"Ghost guns will enable criminals to commit murder"
"Social media will enable hate speech"
AI will be a useful and world changing innovation which is why FUD rag articles like this will become more prevalent until it's total adoption, even by the article writer themselves
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ones who want to stay hidden, will. Most of plebs won't.
A small group of people making noise to try and obfuscate themselves will just draw attention, won't they?
True, unless they use noise which is already present online to carry information, for example by applying steganography to spam.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that’s a good reason to question whether this would be due process. Why do we have due process? One key reason is that it gives people the opportunity to be heard. One could argue that being heard by an AI is no different from being heard by a human, just more efficient. But why do people want the opportunity to be heard? It’s partly the obvious, to have a chance to defend oneself against unjust exercises of…
"it doesn't make people feel heard" isn't a real emotion, it includes a judgement about the AI. According to "Nonviolent Communication" p235; "unheard" speaks towards the feelings "sad, hostile, frustrated" and the needs "understanding" & "consideration". Everyone agrees AI would be more efficient, but people are concerned that the AI will not be able to make contextual considerations based on a shared understanding…
That's true! I suspect it will be difficult to convince people that an AI can, as you suggest, make contextual considerations based on a shared understanding of what it's like to live a human life.
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#147Real question you have to ask yourself. Is AI spying and AI law enforcement Minority Report in real life?
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#148Nick Bostrom proposed the "Vulnerable World Hypothesis" which (amongst other things) says that a technology as powerful and accessible as AI requires mass surveillance to stop bad actors using it as a weapon.
https://nickbostrom.com/papers/vulnerable.pdf
It's disturbing, but also hard (for me) to refute.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
"If it hurts people I hate I accept" - Every endorsement of authoritarian rule ever
Feels pretty legit though. My freedom-from is impacted by other people's freedom-to: by curtailing their freedom, mine is expanded. Sure they won't like it - but I don't like it the other way round either.
I'd argue that if we want to support individual growth and creativity, freedom-to should have higher priority than freedom-from, which consciously or not has seems to be the traditional default in the US perhaps due to its culture of supporting innovation and its break-away past. I believe some refer to these as positive and negative freedoms, respectfully.
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#150Nick Bostrom proposed the "Vulnerable World Hypothesis" which (amongst other things) says that a technology as powerful and accessible as AI requires mass surveillance to stop bad actors using it as a weapon. https://nickbostrom.com/papers/vulnerable.pdf It's disturbing, but also hard (for me) to refute.
Sounds like at that point we have bad actors using it as a weapon.