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Firefox on the brink?

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Post by rchaud »

culi wrote: post #350
Steltek wrote: post #309

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What stood out to me was that they didn't break out mobile from PC. The mobile landscape dominates usage these days and extremely few people make an active choice in browser there. The presented stats to me reads more like Android vs iPhone than it does Chrome vs everyone else.

on iOS all browsers are forced to use WebKit And how could Firefox possibly complete against default browsers? Is it even worth the investment?

They tried with FirefoxOS almost a decade ago but couldn't find any hardware partners.

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Post by wkat4242 »

mikeryan wrote: post #207
munk-a wrote: post #65

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I think it's a pretty reasonable question when the salary is so incredibly out of line with what developers make. Is the CEO singlehandedly responsible for productivity equal to that of sixty or so developers?

CEO salaries aren’t, and never have been, relative to the rank and file salaries. The question is how much you need to be to get a competent executive relative to the open market. You can argue whether they’re getting what they’re paying for but this doesn’t seem to be out of line relative to the leaders of other, similarly sized organizations. Also a non profit has to have higher salaries as there’s not a lot of roo…

True, Hiring a CEO is basically buying into an old boys network. It's like legalised corruption. With them you buy the goodwill of all of their buddies in other CEO positions.

However in this case it doesn't actually seem to be paying off.

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Post by kdmccormick »

wkat4242 wrote: post #355

I'm not so worried. I don't visit any US government sites ever, and very few corporate sites. The ones that I have problems with (Microsoft O365 in particular!!) are easily faked by setting the user agent to Edge on Windows. That magically solves everything (proving that Microsoft is deliberately breaking the experience on Firefox!). But "Supporting" a browser doesn't really mean very much. As long as the browser is…

> But "Supporting" a browser doesn't really mean very much. As long as the browser is standards compliant and websites continue to build to the standard it will still work.

FTFY

"This website is best viewed in IE" was not just a misguided suggestion from the webmasters. It was a statement that the site may rely on nonstandard IE-specific features.

How confident are you that Apple and Google will never agree to add some matching non-standard "extension APIs" to Safari and Chrome?

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Post by ndriscoll »

crazygringo wrote: post #359
ndriscoll wrote: post #354

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That's the whole point of a standard (note that I said for .gov): the government says what standard they interop with. They either conform or don't. If other implementations don't conform, they are wrong. If the site doesn't conform, it is wrong. If it's not in scope for the standard (e.g. layout/font), it's out of scope. If the standard is underspecified or wrong somehow, you fix that and .gov now targets the new re…

But government don't exist to serve standards. Governments exist to serve their citizens -- their users. It's extremely user/citizen-hostile to say, "well our site works but no commercial browsers do, so I guess you can't register for a health plan this year over the web." And I don't know about you, but I sure don't want the government building its own standards-based browser required for accessing government websit…

The government should set or adopt standards, not serve them. And they can and should provide a reference implementation.

We could easily and reliably do forms on mainframes. This is not complicated. And de facto, every browser supports HTML 4 forms anyway, so that's a non-concern.

They already set standards for things like needing to support TLS 1.3 with specific cipher suites. There's no reason they can't say HTML 4 forms and links are required for browsers to work on their sites.

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Post by hospitalJail »

ekianjo wrote: post #52
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

> Mozilla Corporation CEO Mitchell Baker's salary? What a ridiculous question. Obvious the chief captain on the Titanic is not responsible for the Iceberg jumping at the boat.

I used to think this in my 20s.

No, the CEO(and board) are completely responsible. That is the point of leadership, to move the boat before it hits the iceburg or at least have a way of dealing with it.

Firefox is buggy but heavily advertised(or astroturfed, I dont know) on social media. Everyone knows about firefox, we don't need the ad. We need firefox not to suck.

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Post by ako »

Buttons840 wrote: post #227
mikeryan wrote: post #207

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CEO salaries aren’t, and never have been, relative to the rank and file salaries. The question is how much you need to be to get a competent executive relative to the open market. You can argue whether they’re getting what they’re paying for but this doesn’t seem to be out of line relative to the leaders of other, similarly sized organizations. Also a non profit has to have higher salaries as there’s not a lot of roo…

> The question is how much you need to be to get a competent executive relative to the open market. No! The real question is what happens without an executive, but some cheaper leadership structure instead? I mean, maybe a cheaper leadership structure (whatever it may be) would run the company into the ground, but, well, at least they would achieve the same outcome for cheaper.

Don’t know, as a shareholder I would be very happy with a capable CEO that is able to extract profits from a doomed product. As long as she’s bringing in more than she costs the ROI is positive.

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Post by culi »

Semaphor wrote: post #364
culi wrote: post #351

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Of course this heavily depends on niche. In some European countries Firefox is at almost 20% marketshare

I mentioned that: > this is Germany, generally far higher FF usage But the interesting part is not how much FF has here, but how much GA undercounts it.

Yeah it's interesting. I wonder if it's done on purpose or if it has to do with the way bots/crawlers are counted

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Post by worksonmine »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #170
taylodl wrote: post #133

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Compromised morals? WTF is the CEO of the Mozilla Foundation doing to earn $7M per year in salary? What about the Mozilla Foundation forcing out Brandon Eich because of a personal donation he made to a cause they didn't like? Morals my ass! I stopped using Firefox the day they kicked Brandon out and here's the kicker: I don't agree with the cause Brandon supported but I agree his employment shouldn't be affected by d…

What really moved me away from Firefox was using Brave search. I had been using DuckDuckGo since the Snowden leaks. When DuckDuckGo announced they would derank results if they thought it was Russian propaganda or disinformation, I moved to Brave search. A week or so later, I decided that Mozilla was too woke for my liking, and started using Brave's browser, too.

You seem to value integrity, are you aware that Brave browser replaced affiliate URLs with their own? So if you wanted to support someone and use their affiliate link they took the liberty to replace that. I wouldn't touch that spyware if I got paid.

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Post by ako »

What should Firefox do for you to select it as your default browser? (It’s my default browser, I’m pretty happy with it, also use the pocket functionality quite bit)
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