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Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
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Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#102After an editor, who has edited millions of pages and seems to be a jack-of-all-trades, unjustifiably rejects your contribution on a topic where you have dozens of scientific articles published, the only conclusion is that the system is flawed. There's a need for a fundamental change in approach, probably to a system where censorship exists only in cases of clearly illegal content, and various opinions are allowed to…
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Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I expect Wikipedia to collapse under its own weight and hard fork within the next 10 years. I think it would be a shattering like Twitter if the content wasn't under a permissive license. Instead I think it's going to be like WoWWiki being acquired and forking to Wowpedia, and then Wowpedia being acquired and forking to Warcraft Wiki. The community around it is extremely unwelcoming and has calcified - only the most…
> And the finances of the foundation, good lord. Please expound? Or a link is fine, too.
Maybe start here: https://www.theregister.com/2012/12/20/cash_rich_wikipedia_c...
While 10 years old, things haven't gotten better but worse. Seems like lots of projects besides the "core product" Wikipedia are being founded. Obviously people don't like that because they want the money to be used for preserving/building/extending Wikipedia.
Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#104I have been making small contributions for fifteen or so years. I don’t much feel like doing it anymore after a spurt of bad interactions. About a year ago I created a Wikipedia page for a TV personality and author I enjoy. Spent literal hours on it collecting citations and what have you. Within a couple hours the page was deleted for not being noteworthy. He had his own TV show, has multiple published books and a po…
> He had his own TV show, has multiple published books and a popular podcast. That alone doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements for noteworthiness. Some of the sources you used have to be independent . Eg. published biographies written by someone else, an independent TV show about him (not starring him), etc. Otherwise any random social media influencer could be included if they publish their content in various format…
> Otherwise any random social media influencer could be included if they publish their content in various formats.
Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but... Why not?
I know that's an age old question in Wikipedia, but if people are happy to write and edit articles about their niche of interest... Let them do it, maybe they'll contribute even more to other topics.
Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I expect Wikipedia to collapse under its own weight and hard fork within the next 10 years. I think it would be a shattering like Twitter if the content wasn't under a permissive license. Instead I think it's going to be like WoWWiki being acquired and forking to Wowpedia, and then Wowpedia being acquired and forking to Warcraft Wiki. The community around it is extremely unwelcoming and has calcified - only the most…
> And the finances of the foundation, good lord. Please expound? Or a link is fine, too.
Any cursory googling of their finances would show you that they balooned and instead of using said finances to run the website they ask for more millions of dollars to sponsor a bunch of unrelated charities and hire a bunch of executives to manage such use of the funds.
I wish someone would hard-fork it already and stick to a promise of strictly sticking to the core job of operating wikipedia the website, with a small dedicated team.
Plus they don't need any more money, they have enough money to run it for a long long time already and if they keep doing a good job people will keep donating. I don't understand this model of "we need to ensure we survive forever as fast as possible by accumulating a billion dollar endowment". Nonprofits should have ~5-10 years runway max and keep getting donations if they keep doing a good job. I don't trust any organization forever. What incentive do they have to be useful and welcoming if they have a forever endowment?
Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I expect Wikipedia to collapse under its own weight and hard fork within the next 10 years. I think it would be a shattering like Twitter if the content wasn't under a permissive license. Instead I think it's going to be like WoWWiki being acquired and forking to Wowpedia, and then Wowpedia being acquired and forking to Warcraft Wiki. The community around it is extremely unwelcoming and has calcified - only the most…
> And the finances of the foundation, good lord. Please expound? Or a link is fine, too.
Volumes have been written on the ballooning budgets of Wikimedia foundation, of which only a trivially small amount goes towards hosting costs. In mobile rn, but Google should get you plenty of results.
Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#107I have been making small contributions for fifteen or so years. I don’t much feel like doing it anymore after a spurt of bad interactions. About a year ago I created a Wikipedia page for a TV personality and author I enjoy. Spent literal hours on it collecting citations and what have you. Within a couple hours the page was deleted for not being noteworthy. He had his own TV show, has multiple published books and a po…
> He had his own TV show, has multiple published books and a popular podcast. That alone doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements for noteworthiness. Some of the sources you used have to be independent . Eg. published biographies written by someone else, an independent TV show about him (not starring him), etc. Otherwise any random social media influencer could be included if they publish their content in various format…
And what’s wrong with that? Are you worried that you’ll run out of bits?
Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I expect Wikipedia to collapse under its own weight and hard fork within the next 10 years. I think it would be a shattering like Twitter if the content wasn't under a permissive license. Instead I think it's going to be like WoWWiki being acquired and forking to Wowpedia, and then Wowpedia being acquired and forking to Warcraft Wiki. The community around it is extremely unwelcoming and has calcified - only the most…
> And the finances of the foundation, good lord. Please expound? Or a link is fine, too.
I've read stuff from insiders that the foundation spending grows exponentially year-after-year and they use those scare banners that "wikipedia is under threat" to collect more money and grow even more, the money is completely unrelated to hosting the site. This is a recent article from a year ago:
https://slate.com/technology/2022/12/wikipedia-wikimedia-fou...
Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#109This is the same reason i've stopped answering and asking questions on stack overview, except the toxic culture is coming from the moderators.
Re: Toxic comments are associated with reduced volunteer activity on Wikipedia
#110After an editor, who has edited millions of pages and seems to be a jack-of-all-trades, unjustifiably rejects your contribution on a topic where you have dozens of scientific articles published, the only conclusion is that the system is flawed. There's a need for a fundamental change in approach, probably to a system where censorship exists only in cases of clearly illegal content, and various opinions are allowed to…
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