I was added to a waitlist, despite their blog post saying there's none. Is anyone else dealing with this?
I'm on the wait list for Beeper, except sometimes when I check my position I've actually gone further back in line somehow.
Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
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#22I'm on the fence about using this. I don't want to switch all my conversations over to iMessage and then have Apple figure out how to ban this. That kind of feels like a recipe for lost messages.
That's my main concern as well. I don't want to strengthen such a closed ecosystem by building their network.
(That and desktop support is a must for me)
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
#23The unfortunately fatalist question to ask is... how long until Apple shuts it down?
Besides being allegedly hard to shut down without breaking iPhones, there's also this statement given to Ars Technica: > Migicovsky had a few different answers. The broadest one, regarding the tech behind the app, is that reverse-engineering for interoperability is legal—a fair use exemption to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's restrictions against circumventing encryption or other protections. The app also goes…
It's legal. But it doesn't mean that Apple has to quietly allow it.
What is maybe more relevant is the EU talking about forcing federation. If Apple lets this live it may give them more bargaining power in those discussions. If they shut it down thatay throw jet fuel on the fire.
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#24So yeah, it seems ok for one-on-one chats, but for group chats it's super buggy. Can't tell who said what in the history of any of my group chats because Beeper Mini is confused and thinks all of the messages, left and right, are from me.
Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android
#25The unfortunately fatalist question to ask is... how long until Apple shuts it down?
I give it a week, tops. The next iOS update at the latest.
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#26Beeper was made by the pebble dev. Eric should have read the goal by Eli goldratt, it's a case study of TOC. I still love my slides of time. Pebble: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_(watch) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/getpebble/pebble-time-a...
What's Pebble? It's mentioned on the Beeper home page too with no context as though everyone should know what it is, sadly I don't.
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#27My first thought is "was Apple behind this?" I understand that they claim to have reverse engineered it...but if it's such a trivial conversation exchange, it is a bit surprising this hasn't been utilized before. Seems convenient given the loud exchanges happening about RCS and the like. And unlike RCS, iMessages actually has E2E baked in.
The next thought it the utilization for abuse such as spam. E2E is wonderful but it also means that the normal cryptoscammer / phishing checks can't apply. There are mentions of rate limits and that surely comes into play, but given the simple proof of concept it would be easy to scale out.
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#28Beeper was made by the pebble dev. Eric should have read the goal by Eli goldratt, it's a case study of TOC. I still love my slides of time. Pebble: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_(watch) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/getpebble/pebble-time-a...
What's Pebble? It's mentioned on the Beeper home page too with no context as though everyone should know what it is, sadly I don't.
One of the original smartwatches, if not the original:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/getpebble/pebble-e-pape...
(At least I think that's what the word salad of parent is referring to.)
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#29It's really impressive that a high school student [1] has managed to reverse engineer iMessage. What I'm wondering is: 1. How stable is it; would it be trivial for Apple to patch this? 2. If it's as simple as reverse engineering the protocols, how has it taken this long? [1] https://github.com/JJTech0130
Its more a commentary on how amateur it is in my respectful view. iMessage is a fundamentally unserious "product" in search of enough collateral flaws to harm those foolish enough to depend on it for anything.
How so? Other than the security issues that get exploited by NSO group from time to time (that appear to be mitigated fairly well by lockdown mode if that's something that's important to you) or the obvious flaw that you can't talk to anyone that doesn't have an iPhone it seems to be a perfectly good platform. The alternatives either have worse encryption (Telegram, RCS), worse privacy (WhatsApp), or the same platform lock-in as iMessage (Google's RCS).