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23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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> What do you think will happen to people who had their ancestry data stolen here? Sounds like an absolute treasure trove for a life insurance company. Or, would you disagree?

Yes, but one would hope that if an insurance company was caught using stolen data to calculate the premiums, that would be the end of that company and jail time for management (like the leaders of VW responsible of the emissions testing cheating).

> jail time for management

Funny! We all know it would be a lone rogue engineer that did it in the end and management would apologize on their behalf.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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I actually had intended to point out the dangers of "scope creep". Everyone is happy with a lot of pretty invasive stuff - dragnet surveillance, targeted surveillance (i.e. bugs placed in a suspect's home/car/computer/phone), DNA and fingerprint mass tests, no-knock raids - in severe crime cases such as terrorism, murder, rape, child sexual exploitation or abduction. So far, so good, and almost all Western countries…

Why is DNA investigation supposed to be limited to "severe" crimes? It's just another investigative tool. The idea that it should be limited implies there's something sordid about it. Why should I accept that implication? An amusing thing here is that the arguments against DNA were also made against the use of photography, back in the 1800s. At some point people have to realize that personal unease is not an argument…

> At some point people have to realize that personal unease is not an argument.

that's not how it works though. if you find enough other people that have the same uneasiness, then you can form groups that get people elected to make rules that forces everyone else to comply with your uneasiness.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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Something super creepy that happened to me recently: a hospital where I've been to a few months ago called me and asked me to participate in some DNA analysis program. They said "oh and the best part? You don't need to do anything! We will use blood samples we collected the last time." I obviously declined, but it was a huge wtf to me - they stored biological samples associated with me without informing me and can do…

Sweden has a registry of blood samples of every person born in sweden since 1975: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKU-registret (Swedish only wiki page)

Predictably?, amusingly? police never had access to this data, until a government minister was murdered in 2003, when a sample from the suspect was retrieved. From what we know it has not been used since. So we can be cynical, but under the circumstances, the police use of the registry has not yet taken hold and is guarded by the courts..

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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This disaster is the perfect counter-argument to those always saying "why do you care so much about privacy. It doesn't affect you when I share things. You can just choose not to do it", except no, I can't choose when we're relatives and you chose to share our genome. It is so obvious that your relatives sharing their genomic data with 23andMe reveals a lot of information about you. We can only hope people will reali…

> This disaster is the perfect counter-argument to those always saying "why do you care so much about privacy. It doesn't affect you when I share things. You can just choose not to do it" While I agree it's a perfect counter-argument to that, is that what people always say? I'm not sure I've heard that argument as much as "why do you care so much about privacy?" full stop. As in, they don't really understand why anyo…

I wonder if that could be used as a list of possible organ donors. I don't know what else (data) is stored there tbh but if it helps narrow down to find a kidney or heart for someone rich...

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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This disaster is the perfect counter-argument to those always saying "why do you care so much about privacy. It doesn't affect you when I share things. You can just choose not to do it", except no, I can't choose when we're relatives and you chose to share our genome. It is so obvious that your relatives sharing their genomic data with 23andMe reveals a lot of information about you. We can only hope people will reali…

> This disaster is the perfect counter-argument to those always saying "why do you care so much about privacy. It doesn't affect you when I share things. You can just choose not to do it" While I agree it's a perfect counter-argument to that, is that what people always say? I'm not sure I've heard that argument as much as "why do you care so much about privacy?" full stop. As in, they don't really understand why anyo…

> I'm not sure I've heard that argument as much as "why do you care so much about privacy?" full stop.

I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone I know mention privacy at all, as if they're totally ignorant to it. In reality, the majority of people will just let Google or Microsoft do whatever with their personal information as long as the product or service is slightly more convenient than the last one.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blinds open btw. I’m picking up what you are gracefully throwing down but not without checks and balances.

My checks are bouncing off the heavily skewed balance. These internet posts are pretty much the only "checks and balances", and they do diddly squat.

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